GNOME and KDE are bloated, and DEs should not put requirements on anything, they are nothing more than GUI alternatives to the shell.

On February 3, 2015 12:54:12 AM EET, t.j.duchene@??? wrote:
>On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
>> Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back to
>> freedesktop.org or whatever?
>>
>
>You misunderstood what I meant. I was in a hurry, and I admit, I
>should have
>phrased it better. Mea culpa.
>
>The reality is that no matter what anyone does, systemd is here to
>stay, and
>it is likely going to be a long term issue, requiring a long term
>solution.
>Consider that upstream projects entirely outside of Devuan's control
>are going
>to be aiming dependencies on systemd. Gnome already does, and there
>are
>plains for KDE to take a similar path.
>
>There is no escaping this fact of life. Linux as an OS is developed in
>a
>hodgepodge of distributions. The reason systemd has found such wide
>adoption
>is that it simplifies their work. As long as distributors use it, more
>and
>more project developers are going to create dependencies on systemd.
>
>Unless Devuan intends to drop or fork every single piece of software
>that
>decides to use systemd's facilities, it's going to be a war of
>attrition as
>things go on, no matter the arguments against systemd.
>
>Unless systemd implodes of its own accord, which is unlikely - Devuan
>is
>probably going to have to provide some form of compatibility in the
>future.
>This will be the case, regardless of how you or I might feel on the
>subject,
>especially if kdbus gets integrated into the Linux kernel. If that
>happens,
>it might as well be "game over" for systems that do not provide at
>least a
>shim.
>
>I think that uselessd or FreeBSD's compatibility projects are probably
>the
>most likely solutions.

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