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Autor: Vlad
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A: t.j.duchene, dng@lists.dyne.org
Assumpte: Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd
GNOME and KDE are bloated, and DEs should not put requirements on anything, they are nothing more than GUI alternatives to the shell.

On February 3, 2015 12:54:12 AM EET, t.j.duchene@??? wrote:
>On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
>> Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back to
>> freedesktop.org or whatever?
>>
>
>You misunderstood what I meant. I was in a hurry, and I admit, I
>should have
>phrased it better. Mea culpa.
>
>The reality is that no matter what anyone does, systemd is here to
>stay, and
>it is likely going to be a long term issue, requiring a long term
>solution.
>Consider that upstream projects entirely outside of Devuan's control
>are going
>to be aiming dependencies on systemd. Gnome already does, and there
>are
>plains for KDE to take a similar path.
>
>There is no escaping this fact of life. Linux as an OS is developed in
>a
>hodgepodge of distributions. The reason systemd has found such wide
>adoption
>is that it simplifies their work. As long as distributors use it, more
>and
>more project developers are going to create dependencies on systemd.
>
>Unless Devuan intends to drop or fork every single piece of software
>that
>decides to use systemd's facilities, it's going to be a war of
>attrition as
>things go on, no matter the arguments against systemd.
>
>Unless systemd implodes of its own accord, which is unlikely - Devuan
>is
>probably going to have to provide some form of compatibility in the
>future.
>This will be the case, regardless of how you or I might feel on the
>subject,
>especially if kdbus gets integrated into the Linux kernel. If that
>happens,
>it might as well be "game over" for systems that do not provide at
>least a
>shim.
>
>I think that uselessd or FreeBSD's compatibility projects are probably
>the
>most likely solutions.


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