On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:59:51PM -0500, Neo Futur wrote:
> going further than just grub, I think it could be good for devuan to
> be the distro coming with different default packages, a few ideas :
>
> * grub/lilo as a default bootloader
> * trinity ( great fork of kde3 ) as a default DE
> * a grsecurity enabled kernel ?
> * eudev or other udev alternative
> * more generally always choosing the alternatives that are the most
> respectful of users and unix philosophy, as defaults

I will note that there is an interesting complication with grsecurity
kernels:
The X server needs to be able to read sysfs or else have a connection
with a daemon that can, or drivers will not be properly loaded and
configured.
grsec has an option that makes sysfs and procfs unreadable except by
root, so that X needs udev or must run as root.

(If I recall correctly, non-root X is only possible with systemd or
on openbsd, so that's a moot point for now.)
> another idea to make devuan different :
>
> * shipping a server oriented flavour, with no DE as a default, a grsec
> kernel as a default and only the packages needed for a server, that
> could also be used as a minimal install, small download, that you can
> later upgrade, add a DE . . .

"No DE as a default": does this this mean not having GNOME/KDE but
perhaps X11, (v)twm or similar, xutils/xapps, and xterm?
Or does it mean no X?

I presume it would include openssh and maybe a lightweight vim.

Thanks,
Isaac Dunham