I completely agree with most of the comments above about grub2.
I manage dedicated server and build my own grsec kernel, so I often
have to use the bootloader, so many times I couldnt get it to boot
with grub2 after hours trying and as soon as I tried with lilo or
grub-legacy it worked immediately my kernel was not at fault but some
obscure grub2 problem.

So I upvote this idea of having devuan coming with a different default
bootloader, wether it is grub1 or lilo ( or whatever is simple enough
to be used by an average human, meaning not grub2 )

going further than just grub, I think it could be good for devuan to
be the distro coming with different default packages, a few ideas :

* grub/lilo as a default bootloader
* trinity ( great fork of kde3 ) as a default DE
* a grsecurity enabled kernel ?
* eudev or other udev alternative
* more generally always choosing the alternatives that are the most
respectful of users and unix philosophy, as defaults

another idea to make devuan different :

* shipping a server oriented flavour, with no DE as a default, a grsec
kernel as a default and only the packages needed for a server, that
could also be used as a minimal install, small download, that you can
later upgrade, add a DE . . .

I think many people in the "no systemd for me please" community are
system admins and this could help gather more sysadmins around the
project.


On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Cegiełka
<daniel.cegielka@???> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 1) lilo is always a Russian roulette. It's too risky solution. (+NOTE:
> I plan to finish development of LILO at 12/2015 because of some
> limitations (e.g. with BTFS, GPT, RAID):
> http://lilo.alioth.debian.org/).
> 2) Grub 2 is ugly and blown solution.
>
> In my opinion the most interesting solution is extlinux, which is
> something between lilo and grub.
>
> http://jasonwryan.com/blog/2012/07/09/syslinux/
>
> Daniel
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