I can only hope it's some anarchist-tendencies folks who got cushy jobs
at the NSA and convinced their bosses it would give 'the agency' an
advantage over other agencies.

All it takes is a 1% population of do-gooders inside the organization to
incentivize the 5% psychopath population to do .... interesting things ....

(also re the psychopath conversation earlier, drop the label if you like,
and think of it as designing a system where bad behavior results in good
things happening)

On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 12:51:30PM -0500, Tim Patrick wrote:
> Who are the people behind this interesting project? I've heard some say
> assange is, is that true?
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>
> > It is interesting and I'm interested in watching it unfold. You could
> > also think about adding in a bounty feature. Like a journalist gets
> > information about a company laundering drug money, but they have no proof.
> > The journalist provides enough information to get the hackers started.
> > They post the bounty, the community crowd-funds it, the hackers go to
> > work. If they can get the proof, they collect the bounty or it will
> > incentivize whistle blowers. Either way, you guys should go to a country
> > that won't extradite you, because this is potentially even more
> > provocative than Silk Road. Hackers and whistle blowers get more jails time
> > than murders and rapists.
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:
> >
> >> I think you misread it, the statement is "people are bad so if we wave
> >> some greenbacks in their faces, they're gonna leak like a motherfucker"
> >> Anyway the organizations which have the most psychopaths are also the
> >> funniest when they leak
> >>
> >> On 12/24/2014 11:52 PM, snakecharmr wrote:
> >> > "5% of the general population are psychopaths"
> >> >
> >> > This reeks of the authoritarian christian ethic that we need government
> >> because people are bad. A story that tells how humans are evil because of
> >> "original sin" or "psychopathy" or "ecological destruction" can easily be
> >> used as a justification for killing or abusing humans. Have you ever met a
> >> fundamentalist that hates people because of sin?
> >> >
> >> > Don't get me wrong, I know there is such a thing as psychopathy, but
> >> physiologically it generally corresponds to a fucked up oxytocin system
> >> (usually related to childhood malnourishment/abuse) and using psychopathy
> >> as a excuse to control people sounds psychopathic to me.
> >> >
> >> > Ever heard of this scam? It's called a protection racket. It goes like
> >> this: Joe and Moe work together, but act like they don't. Joe comes and
> >> threatens to hurt you if you don't give him money. Moe comes by and says
> >> "Watch out for this Joe guy, he's a real crook. Gimme some money and I'll
> >> keep him off your back". Then you pay one or the other and they both run
> >> off and share the funds...Long story short, the people who are trying to
> >> protect you from psychopaths might themselves be psychopaths. They can even
> >> feed your ego to help you believe their lies "You're a good person, but
> >> there's loooots of bad people out there"...
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > As far as preventing double sale of information, that's basically the
> >> insoluble problem with digital rights management: information is
> >> replicable. If you pay $1M to keep someone's mouth shut and you don't know
> >> who/where they are, there's no incentive for them not to release it, sell
> >> it to someone else or just extort you again for it.
> >> >
> >> > I don't know if this slur thing is a good idea or not, but I don't buy
> >> into the "people are bad so don't empower them" story.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Dec 24, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Nothing, that's the brilliance of it. If goldman's can out-bid anyone
> >> >> else then it's not leaking, just extortion. Goldman's keeps a secret
> >> but
> >> >> they have to pay their own money to the release crew.
> >> >> What is a good question is if they get hit again by another crew, can
> >> >> they claim that the first crew went back on their promise? Maybe it
> >> will
> >> >> iron itself out as a plain extortion racket but the optimum size of a
> >> crew
> >> >> will never be that large so when they scale up, they become weak and
> >> >> vulnerable.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 12/24/2014 11:12 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
> >> >>> Oh ok. I get it. So they build reputations for releasing valuable
> >> >>> information and people contribute towards the group for each hack? I
> >> may
> >> >>> have missed it but will you have a user rating system or how does that
> >> >>> work? What's stopping say, Goldman Sachs from buying back their own
> >> >>> information? Because you said the same information can't be sold
> >> twice.
> >> >>> On Dec 24, 2014 3:07 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Lone wolves will be the exception, the rule will be highly
> >> disciplined
> >> >>>> highly
> >> >>>> regulated "release groups". Imagine lulzsec but with intelligence
> >> agency
> >> >>>> level
> >> >>>> financing. These groups will have the promotion capability to inform
> >> the
> >> >>>> world
> >> >>>> about the presence of information and garner the funding support.
> >> >>>> Individual
> >> >>>> leakers will need to approach a release group for distribution
> >> otherwise
> >> >>>> they
> >> >>>> will not be taken seriously.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> On 12/24/2014 09:43 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
> >> >>>>> I like the idea, but how do you know the information has any value?
> >> >>>>> Also, how do you prevent people from reselling information?
> >> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2014 1:32 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> ``
> >> >>>>>> Its estimated that 5% of the general population are psychopaths.
> >> >>>>>> Introducing financial incentive in an anonymous framework will
> >> produce a
> >> >>>>>> greater yield of leaked information than from say the ideology that
> >> >>>> drove
> >> >>>>>> patriots like Edward Snowden. For every idealist willing to
> >> selflessly
> >> >>>>>> sacrifice their freedom, assets and even risk their lives for a
> >> greater
> >> >>>>>> good, there are 1000 psychopaths willing to anonymously sell out
> >> their
> >> >>>>>> peers for material gain.
> >> >>>>>> ''
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Capitalist self-annihilation by the vampire zombie of Ayn Rand.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> http://slur.io/
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> brb making popcorn
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