>
> An init-free debian-like distro would be very appealing for the largest
> majority of those that would consider installing Devuan, GNOME or not.
>

Yes.
And use a DE like Xfce for easier takeup.
Needless complexity is a trap to delay the Devuan project.



On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:24 AM, Mauro Cicio <mauro@???> wrote:

> Why do we want to make the group of those not interested in GNOME wait for
> GNOME, when not waiting would result in no major impact on those that are
> interested in GNOME (probably a minority, BTW)?
>
> It is enough to have a two step release, the first w/o GNOME, which will
> be in the second half of the release.
> The GNOMErs will have to wait longer anyway. Why drag everybody in that?
> Is there any advantage in having a catch-all release?
>
> No need for polarisation or bridge burning. Just announce a two step
> release.
>
> Realistically, a tiny minority of those ready to leave Debian "just" for
> init freedom would make having GNOME sooner rather than later a deciding
> point.
> An init-free debian-like distro would be very appealing for the largest
> majority of those that would consider installing Devuan, GNOME or not.
> Addressing quickly this important subset of the community would guarantee
> Devuan some chances of success.
>
> mauro
>
>
>
>
> On 29 December 2014 at 09:55, KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:50:07PM -0500, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
>> > I think this whole CLI - GUI thing causes a lot more polarization
>> > than it should.
>> > There are I'm sure a lot of people like myself who use the linux
>> > desktop day to day, have no problem dealing with the command line or
>> > administering a few boxes.
>> > A lot of desktop users are long term geeks, nerds and computer
>> > weirdos who don't fit into the Gnome/Redhat "Future of the Desktop"
>> > mold.
>>
>> If I can give my 2 cents to this discussion, I would like to point out
>> that the "Conquest of the Desktop Market" is just a nonsense, and I
>> believe that RedHat knows it very well. GNU/Linux has never taken off
>> on desktops, and probably never will, first because the battle has
>> already been won by Apple and second because desktops will practically
>> disappear (meaning that they will represent an even smaller fraction
>> of the overall market), replaced by smartphones and smart-tvs.
>>
>> Let's focus on the niche in which GNU/Linux has still the possibility
>> to say a word, i.e. the server and backend world. This is exactly what
>> RedHat is doing, in the end, with the systemd nonsense: one init to
>> rule them all. They know very well that the market that counts for
>> GNU/Linux is on the server side, and the systemd nonsense is the last
>> strike to effectively wipe out all its competitors there. And they
>> have already made a big step in that direction, mainly thanks to the
>> silent and quick adoption of the systemd nonsense by virtually all the
>> distros which might interfere with the plan, including SuSe and
>> Debian.
>>
>> Let's try to focus on making a init-free debian-like distro for the
>> moment, even at the cost of temporarily loosing some functionality
>> (e.g., GNOME) and/or some users (e.g., GNOMErs). IMHO, it's far better
>> (and maybe easier) to find tricks and hacks to let GNOME run on a
>> functioning Devuan later on, than delaying the release of a
>> functioning Devuan just to have GNOME on it since from the
>> beginning. Too many projects have already been drowned by the GNOME
>> nonsense....
>>
>> My2Cents
>>
>> KatolaZ
>>
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