Why do we want to make the group of those not interested in GNOME wait for
GNOME, when not waiting would result in no major impact on those that are
interested in GNOME (probably a minority, BTW)?

It is enough to have a two step release, the first w/o GNOME, which will be
in the second half of the release.
The GNOMErs will have to wait longer anyway. Why drag everybody in that? Is
there any advantage in having a catch-all release?

No need for polarisation or bridge burning. Just announce a two step
release.

Realistically, a tiny minority of those ready to leave Debian "just" for
init freedom would make having GNOME sooner rather than later a deciding
point.
An init-free debian-like distro would be very appealing for the largest
majority of those that would consider installing Devuan, GNOME or not.
Addressing quickly this important subset of the community would guarantee
Devuan some chances of success.

mauro




On 29 December 2014 at 09:55, KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 10:50:07PM -0500, Clarke Sideroad wrote:
> > I think this whole CLI - GUI thing causes a lot more polarization
> > than it should.
> > There are I'm sure a lot of people like myself who use the linux
> > desktop day to day, have no problem dealing with the command line or
> > administering a few boxes.
> > A lot of desktop users are long term geeks, nerds and computer
> > weirdos who don't fit into the Gnome/Redhat "Future of the Desktop"
> > mold.
>
> If I can give my 2 cents to this discussion, I would like to point out
> that the "Conquest of the Desktop Market" is just a nonsense, and I
> believe that RedHat knows it very well. GNU/Linux has never taken off
> on desktops, and probably never will, first because the battle has
> already been won by Apple and second because desktops will practically
> disappear (meaning that they will represent an even smaller fraction
> of the overall market), replaced by smartphones and smart-tvs.
>
> Let's focus on the niche in which GNU/Linux has still the possibility
> to say a word, i.e. the server and backend world. This is exactly what
> RedHat is doing, in the end, with the systemd nonsense: one init to
> rule them all. They know very well that the market that counts for
> GNU/Linux is on the server side, and the systemd nonsense is the last
> strike to effectively wipe out all its competitors there. And they
> have already made a big step in that direction, mainly thanks to the
> silent and quick adoption of the systemd nonsense by virtually all the
> distros which might interfere with the plan, including SuSe and
> Debian.
>
> Let's try to focus on making a init-free debian-like distro for the
> moment, even at the cost of temporarily loosing some functionality
> (e.g., GNOME) and/or some users (e.g., GNOMErs). IMHO, it's far better
> (and maybe easier) to find tricks and hacks to let GNOME run on a
> functioning Devuan later on, than delaying the release of a
> functioning Devuan just to have GNOME on it since from the
> beginning. Too many projects have already been drowned by the GNOME
> nonsense....
>
> My2Cents
>
> KatolaZ
>
>
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