I'm totally against the concept of a Debian fork with init freedom but without DE freedom.

IMHO, if we're *technically* able to deliever GNOME, we definitely should do that, even if the R&D costs are high. We should disinfect as many packages as possible, even if that means we provide a slightly crippled experience in Jessie. In the future (Jessie++), I think we should develop systemd alternatives that allow us to take the upper hand and contain this infection going forward.

On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 17:47:40 -0300
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <renaud@???> wrote:

> On Sun, 28 Dec 2014 21:43:06 +0100
> Klaus Hartnegg <hartnegg@???> wrote:
>
> > > I understand that Devuan wants to give Debianites who use Gnome an
> > > option to move smoothly to a systemd-free future (and stick it to
> > > Gnome in the process). But does that have to be a top priority? Why
> > > not get Devuan up and running with DEs/WMs that are not so entangled
> > > with systemd then tackle Gnome once the basic structure is in place?
>
> > This depends on the users. I suspect that Devuan attracts more server
> > admins than desktop users. For server admins it would be fine to first
> > get the base system going, and care about GUI later. However maybe
> > making Gnome work will be easier when certain requirements have been
> > taken into account in the design the base system.
>
> OTOH desktop users that will be attracted to Devuan will also be in majority the same who also already renounced Gnome and Kde, their pomp and their work, not to mention their bloat.
>
> Cheers,
>

> Ron.
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