No need to apologise, but I do if it sounded like I was giving you a
dressing-down. I just want to make sure that if we decide to toss out
code that it is tossed for a good reason. I hope you have the best of
New Year's as well.
On 12/26/2014 12:03 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
> You're absolutely right!! I'm sorry... And I got it... Happy new year!!
>
> On 26 December 2014 at 15:58, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duchene@???
> <mailto:t.j.duchene@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/25/2014 9:15 PM, Martinx - ジェームズ wrote:
>> Can you guys believe this:
>>
>> A Desktop with 6G of RAM running Ubuntu 14.10 with systemd +
>> pulseaudio:
>>
>>
>> USER PID %CPU *_%MEM_* VSZ RSS TTY STAT START
>> TIME COMMAND
>> userzyx 25830 0.3 *_75.0_* 6171772 4487884 ? S<l Dez16
>> 46:11 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --start --log-target=syslog
>>
>>
>> Pulseaudio is consuming *_75% of my RAM MEMORY!!!_* WTF IS THIS
>> THING??!!! And I'm not playing a single music!
>>
> Let's play devil's advocate for just a moment. Don't misunderstand
> me. I'm all for hating crappy code, but let's hate with good
> reason and precision.
>
>
> Why are you comparing metrics on an unstable version of the OS?
> Ubuntu clearly states that the non-LTS releases are intended for
> developers and early adopters only. You will have bugs when you
> use a version of the OS that isn't properly vetted and released
> every 6 months, come what may. The cause of this issue could be
> anything, including the underlying ALSA stack, or a library that
> PA is linked to, maybe even memory pages requested by your DE
> interface to PA. Do you have actual evidence that PA is the real
> culprit, say a stack trace?
>
> I remember at least one case of where I traced audio problems, not
> to PA, but a bad codec used by gstreamer.
>
>
>> I still do not believe that Debian was taken over by the shit
>> that come out of Lennart / RedHat (sorry about the bad words).
>> And the Linux community will put almost all the eggs into the
>> systemd basket!! For God's sake, what a fuck is wrong with those
>> people??? Well, I really don't care anymore, we have Devuan! YAY!
>> ^_^
>>
> Before you blame Poettering or RedHat you should make sure that
> they are actually to blame for your problem. To my knowledge,
> Poettering doesn't work on PA as much these days.
>>
>>
>>
>> I was trusting my professional life on Debian team and now, this
>> crap... The good of open source is that we have the power to make
>> forks... Whew!
> Ubuntu is not Debian. Not by a long shot. Ubuntu is a version of
> Debian Unstable, which should never be used on serious work.
>
>>
>>
>> Lets include apulse and also, jackd. And _kick_ pulseaudio
>> alongside with systemd.
>>
>> Honestly, I don't even care anymore about systemd, neither as an
>> option, it is impossible to trust on this thing, because of
>> Lennart past projects (and obvious, because of systemd terrible /
>> creepy architecture). I still open to uselessd + new udev, if it
>> make easier to keep compatibility with upstream Debian while we
>> need to keep syncing with it. Also, I like the idea of CGroup
>> Process, if uselessd can achieve that (i.e, control/isolate
>> process using Linux CGroups), then, it is a great thing! There
>> are space for a new Init System and systemd is NOT it.
>
> Dropping code because of the dislike one person without making
> sure that you can build your entire tree first without it, is not
> a sensible thing to do. It is not in the best interests of users.
>
>>
>> Happy new year! :-)
>>
> Likewise!
>
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