Who are the people behind this interesting project? I've heard some say
assange is, is that true?

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:

> It is interesting and I'm interested in watching it unfold. You could
> also think about adding in a bounty feature. Like a journalist gets
> information about a company laundering drug money, but they have no proof.
> The journalist provides enough information to get the hackers started.
> They post the bounty, the community crowd-funds it, the hackers go to
> work. If they can get the proof, they collect the bounty or it will
> incentivize whistle blowers. Either way, you guys should go to a country
> that won't extradite you, because this is potentially even more
> provocative than Silk Road. Hackers and whistle blowers get more jails time
> than murders and rapists.
>
> On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:
>
>> I think you misread it, the statement is "people are bad so if we wave
>> some greenbacks in their faces, they're gonna leak like a motherfucker"
>> Anyway the organizations which have the most psychopaths are also the
>> funniest when they leak
>>
>> On 12/24/2014 11:52 PM, snakecharmr wrote:
>> > "5% of the general population are psychopaths"
>> >
>> > This reeks of the authoritarian christian ethic that we need government
>> because people are bad. A story that tells how humans are evil because of
>> "original sin" or "psychopathy" or "ecological destruction" can easily be
>> used as a justification for killing or abusing humans. Have you ever met a
>> fundamentalist that hates people because of sin?
>> >
>> > Don't get me wrong, I know there is such a thing as psychopathy, but
>> physiologically it generally corresponds to a fucked up oxytocin system
>> (usually related to childhood malnourishment/abuse) and using psychopathy
>> as a excuse to control people sounds psychopathic to me.
>> >
>> > Ever heard of this scam? It's called a protection racket. It goes like
>> this: Joe and Moe work together, but act like they don't. Joe comes and
>> threatens to hurt you if you don't give him money. Moe comes by and says
>> "Watch out for this Joe guy, he's a real crook. Gimme some money and I'll
>> keep him off your back". Then you pay one or the other and they both run
>> off and share the funds...Long story short, the people who are trying to
>> protect you from psychopaths might themselves be psychopaths. They can even
>> feed your ego to help you believe their lies "You're a good person, but
>> there's loooots of bad people out there"...
>> >
>> >
>> > As far as preventing double sale of information, that's basically the
>> insoluble problem with digital rights management: information is
>> replicable. If you pay $1M to keep someone's mouth shut and you don't know
>> who/where they are, there's no incentive for them not to release it, sell
>> it to someone else or just extort you again for it.
>> >
>> > I don't know if this slur thing is a good idea or not, but I don't buy
>> into the "people are bad so don't empower them" story.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 24, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Nothing, that's the brilliance of it. If goldman's can out-bid anyone
>> >> else then it's not leaking, just extortion. Goldman's keeps a secret
>> but
>> >> they have to pay their own money to the release crew.
>> >> What is a good question is if they get hit again by another crew, can
>> >> they claim that the first crew went back on their promise? Maybe it
>> will
>> >> iron itself out as a plain extortion racket but the optimum size of a
>> crew
>> >> will never be that large so when they scale up, they become weak and
>> >> vulnerable.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12/24/2014 11:12 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
>> >>> Oh ok. I get it. So they build reputations for releasing valuable
>> >>> information and people contribute towards the group for each hack? I
>> may
>> >>> have missed it but will you have a user rating system or how does that
>> >>> work? What's stopping say, Goldman Sachs from buying back their own
>> >>> information? Because you said the same information can't be sold
>> twice.
>> >>> On Dec 24, 2014 3:07 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Lone wolves will be the exception, the rule will be highly
>> disciplined
>> >>>> highly
>> >>>> regulated "release groups". Imagine lulzsec but with intelligence
>> agency
>> >>>> level
>> >>>> financing. These groups will have the promotion capability to inform
>> the
>> >>>> world
>> >>>> about the presence of information and garner the funding support.
>> >>>> Individual
>> >>>> leakers will need to approach a release group for distribution
>> otherwise
>> >>>> they
>> >>>> will not be taken seriously.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 12/24/2014 09:43 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
>> >>>>> I like the idea, but how do you know the information has any value?
>> >>>>> Also, how do you prevent people from reselling information?
>> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2014 1:32 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> ``
>> >>>>>> Its estimated that 5% of the general population are psychopaths.
>> >>>>>> Introducing financial incentive in an anonymous framework will
>> produce a
>> >>>>>> greater yield of leaked information than from say the ideology that
>> >>>> drove
>> >>>>>> patriots like Edward Snowden. For every idealist willing to
>> selflessly
>> >>>>>> sacrifice their freedom, assets and even risk their lives for a
>> greater
>> >>>>>> good, there are 1000 psychopaths willing to anonymously sell out
>> their
>> >>>>>> peers for material gain.
>> >>>>>> ''
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Capitalist self-annihilation by the vampire zombie of Ayn Rand.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> http://slur.io/
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> brb making popcorn
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