It is interesting and I'm interested in watching it unfold. You could also
think about adding in a bounty feature. Like a journalist gets information
about a company laundering drug money, but they have no proof. The
journalist provides enough information to get the hackers started. They
post the bounty, the community crowd-funds it, the hackers go to work. If
they can get the proof, they collect the bounty or it will incentivize
whistle blowers. Either way, you guys should go to a country that won't
extradite you, because this is potentially even more provocative than Silk
Road. Hackers and whistle blowers get more jails time than murders and
rapists.

On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:

> I think you misread it, the statement is "people are bad so if we wave
> some greenbacks in their faces, they're gonna leak like a motherfucker"
> Anyway the organizations which have the most psychopaths are also the
> funniest when they leak
>
> On 12/24/2014 11:52 PM, snakecharmr wrote:
> > "5% of the general population are psychopaths"
> >
> > This reeks of the authoritarian christian ethic that we need government
> because people are bad. A story that tells how humans are evil because of
> "original sin" or "psychopathy" or "ecological destruction" can easily be
> used as a justification for killing or abusing humans. Have you ever met a
> fundamentalist that hates people because of sin?
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, I know there is such a thing as psychopathy, but
> physiologically it generally corresponds to a fucked up oxytocin system
> (usually related to childhood malnourishment/abuse) and using psychopathy
> as a excuse to control people sounds psychopathic to me.
> >
> > Ever heard of this scam? It's called a protection racket. It goes like
> this: Joe and Moe work together, but act like they don't. Joe comes and
> threatens to hurt you if you don't give him money. Moe comes by and says
> "Watch out for this Joe guy, he's a real crook. Gimme some money and I'll
> keep him off your back". Then you pay one or the other and they both run
> off and share the funds...Long story short, the people who are trying to
> protect you from psychopaths might themselves be psychopaths. They can even
> feed your ego to help you believe their lies "You're a good person, but
> there's loooots of bad people out there"...
> >
> >
> > As far as preventing double sale of information, that's basically the
> insoluble problem with digital rights management: information is
> replicable. If you pay $1M to keep someone's mouth shut and you don't know
> who/where they are, there's no incentive for them not to release it, sell
> it to someone else or just extort you again for it.
> >
> > I don't know if this slur thing is a good idea or not, but I don't buy
> into the "people are bad so don't empower them" story.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 24, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:
> >
> >> Nothing, that's the brilliance of it. If goldman's can out-bid anyone
> >> else then it's not leaking, just extortion. Goldman's keeps a secret but
> >> they have to pay their own money to the release crew.
> >> What is a good question is if they get hit again by another crew, can
> >> they claim that the first crew went back on their promise? Maybe it will
> >> iron itself out as a plain extortion racket but the optimum size of a
> crew
> >> will never be that large so when they scale up, they become weak and
> >> vulnerable.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/24/2014 11:12 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
> >>> Oh ok. I get it. So they build reputations for releasing valuable
> >>> information and people contribute towards the group for each hack? I
> may
> >>> have missed it but will you have a user rating system or how does that
> >>> work? What's stopping say, Goldman Sachs from buying back their own
> >>> information? Because you said the same information can't be sold twice.
> >>> On Dec 24, 2014 3:07 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Lone wolves will be the exception, the rule will be highly disciplined
> >>>> highly
> >>>> regulated "release groups". Imagine lulzsec but with intelligence
> agency
> >>>> level
> >>>> financing. These groups will have the promotion capability to inform
> the
> >>>> world
> >>>> about the presence of information and garner the funding support.
> >>>> Individual
> >>>> leakers will need to approach a release group for distribution
> otherwise
> >>>> they
> >>>> will not be taken seriously.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12/24/2014 09:43 PM, Robert Jakob wrote:
> >>>>> I like the idea, but how do you know the information has any value?
> >>>>> Also, how do you prevent people from reselling information?
> >>>>> On Dec 24, 2014 1:32 PM, "Caleb James DeLisle" <cjd@???> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> ``
> >>>>>> Its estimated that 5% of the general population are psychopaths.
> >>>>>> Introducing financial incentive in an anonymous framework will
> produce a
> >>>>>> greater yield of leaked information than from say the ideology that
> >>>> drove
> >>>>>> patriots like Edward Snowden. For every idealist willing to
> selflessly
> >>>>>> sacrifice their freedom, assets and even risk their lives for a
> greater
> >>>>>> good, there are 1000 psychopaths willing to anonymously sell out
> their
> >>>>>> peers for material gain.
> >>>>>> ''
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Capitalist self-annihilation by the vampire zombie of Ayn Rand.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://slur.io/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> brb making popcorn
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