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Oggetto: Re: [unSYSTEM] Article about rise of libertarianism in the UK
No, software is not going to "solve all our problems." But it will
help with some. And it is not gonna help you grow balls or a spine on
a really deep human level. But maybe I am getting my context wrong...

Pretty sure I am on the same page here.

I don't know your background TecZ but I think we could all learn more
about software development while also growing a new pair.

ciao

TecZ:
> Expecting software to solve all our problems is a huge mistake, one
> we are idealistic coders always make. Software cannot replace
> balls. If we had balls we would not need the blockchain. As it is
> right now all the blockchain can do is diffuse the need for balls
> so they don't have to come from a single source which is easy to
> take down.
>
> balls aside, someone who "gets it" has to build this software.
> Satoshi got it. Notice how social he is... No one in this scene can
> really handle the truth which is why it will not evolve past level
> one. Only a spiritual understanding to the problem can create the
> tools necessary to help fix it.
>
> If satoshi told the whole truth he'd prob just get a "cool story
> bro" like the one dude who tol the truth here once got. Lol
>
>
>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 6:46 AM, odinn
>> <odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:
>>
> tl;dr?
>
> If you can get to binary this shit ain't gonna matter much.
>
> TecZ:
>>>> odinn, Ok, point made. You are happy with being on level 1.01
>>>> of the rabbit hole. Congrats on that .01 Considering how
>>>> little you said with so many words i think you have a fine
>>>> future in politics. Bravo.
>>>>
>>>> Is anyone here ready for some actual truth? Send a sign
>>>> please. Gettin' real lonely on level 7 ova ere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:23 AM, odinn
>>>>> <odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TecZ:
>>>>>>> Is it really about money?
>>>>
>>>> No, it is what is done with the store of value... The debt
>>>> and the nature of the effort which is related to that debt
>>>> and how any resultant conflict is directed in a way is turned
>>>> into business which helps those who generally are charged
>>>> with managing investments and large scale business holdings.
>>>>
>>>> I have lived abroad for a few years and seen some ugly
>>>> things. In that regard I am no different than a lot of
>>>> people. Here then I will keep it short...
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to keep this very short because of my back and it
>>>> is eaarly in the AM here where I am at. I think the best way
>>>> to sum it up is from the International. What's interesting
>>>> is how so on point they made it in this movie.... so I'll
>>>> just focus on what the actor said to the lady who was
>>>> inquiring of him right before he was assassinated.
>>>> Interestingly, the assassin was himself supposed to be
>>>> assassinated, by a police officer. In The International,
>>>> all the lower level players were intended to be disposable ~
>>>> there was supposed to be some sort of sick, disposable
>>>> system, which actually was more or less true to how it
>>>> usually works out....
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, here is how the line was described in the movie:
>>>>
>>>> " [In explaining the "true" nature of banking in the world]
>>>> The IBBC is a bank. Their objective isn't to control the
>>>> conflict, it's to control the debt that the conflict
>>>> produces.
>>>>
>>>> You see, the real value of a conflict, the true value, is in
>>>> the debt that it creates. You control the debt, you control
>>>> everything. You find this upsetting, yes? But this is the
>>>> very essence of the banking industry, to make us all, whether
>>>> we be nations or individuals, slaves to debt. ~ Umberto
>>>> Calvini"
>>>>
>>>> It struck me after watching that film some while back, that
>>>> either a long-term mercenary or a very experienced politician
>>>> (and perhaps a banker) may have been given a few moments with
>>>> the pen for those lines. But who can say such things,
>>>> really?
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, this line, as it was written, from the
>>>> perspective of the character Umberto Calvini, was quite true
>>>> in 2009 when The International was made. Today, with
>>>> hundreds of d-cent currency-ish systems in use around the
>>>> world today, and with 2015 marking the inflection point of
>>>> the release (and further development of) anonymity tech the
>>>> likes of which we have not yet seen, it is safe to say that
>>>> the notion of "slaves to debt" as a line in a film must be
>>>> reinterpreted. Indeed, what that means, and what is a store
>>>> of value, and whether we wish to be a slave to it at all,
>>>> need not be ceaselessly in someone else's hands, but should
>>>> be much more in our own and further, we should be closer to
>>>> being each able to enabling others to snap their own
>>>> shackles. The notion of slavery need not merely be tied to
>>>> "isms," but we may as one example conclude that the old and
>>>> traditional notion of slavery is the result of a lack of
>>>> compassion, and sharing. and that it is more pervasive than
>>>> we'd like to admit ~ while at the same time examining that
>>>> the new and multiple meanings of slavery also imply that we
>>>> have the ability to break them all.
>>>>
>>>> Today, the debt is in our minds.
>>>>
>>>> Respect,
>>>>
>>>> -O
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Serious question...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the central bankers can create trillions at will
>>>>>>> then is money really their motivation ? Or just a tool
>>>>>>> they use to motivate the greed of corporations, middle
>>>>>>> management and survival instinct of the peseantry?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the central bankers don't value money then why do
>>>>>>> they do what they do? Fear? Greed? Greed for what? Why
>>>>>>> do they want so much control? To calm their fear???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then we are just back at the beginning of their psycho
>>>>>>> mind trip. If they are making plans over the course of
>>>>>>> 100 years then they are motivated by far deeper
>>>>>>> things...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Those of us that keep babbling on about money and
>>>>>>> corporations have zero hope of ever getting to the
>>>>>>> bottom of the problem here. We need to acknowledge that
>>>>>>> this is a spiritual battle...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lets all go and do some REAL research about history and
>>>>>>> keep the 180 degree rule in mind, else we will fritter
>>>>>>> away the chance bitcoin is giving us to affect real
>>>>>>> change. Hoping this reaches at least ONE person who can
>>>>>>> read between the lines....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peace
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:26 PM, snakecharmr
>>>>>>>> <snakecharmr1024@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everybody wants freedom for themselves. Tyrants
>>>>>>>> aren't willing to give freedom to others, usually
>>>>>>>> because they are terrified of everyone (thinking of
>>>>>>>> Stalin's paranoia).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think turning up the resolution beyond "rich vs
>>>>>>>> poor" will demonstrate more complex strategies at
>>>>>>>> work here. When governments propose "taxing the
>>>>>>>> rich", it's usually the 0.0001% who actually write
>>>>>>>> the laws (not necessarily gov) asking the bottom 80%
>>>>>>>> to support putting obstacles up to block the top 10%
>>>>>>>> (the controller's competitors) from actually
>>>>>>>> overtaking them. So "taxing the rich" doesn't tax all
>>>>>>>> the rich, because the people who write the laws
>>>>>>>> always put loopholes in for them and their friends.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the money supply is fair, not rigged, then the
>>>>>>>> only way the super wealthy can cash in on their
>>>>>>>> wealth is by giving it to others in exchange for
>>>>>>>> goods. Then they have less wealth and the only way
>>>>>>>> for them to get it back is to do things for other
>>>>>>>> people. If they never do things for other people,
>>>>>>>> then they go bankrupt after a while.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Money is just supposed to encode how much you've
>>>>>>>> contributed to the economy minus how much you've
>>>>>>>> taken. It's not perfect, and the fiat system skews it
>>>>>>>> beyond recognition, but that's the idea of money.
>>>>>>>> It's just memory.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 6:16 AM, lalu
>>>>>>>>> <lalu@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think the number of rules is the problem,
>>>>>>>>> more so the common belief that the pile of $ they
>>>>>>>>> sit on is worth something ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once this change, we can start building a world in
>>>>>>>>> which we measure success not only by reading GDP
>>>>>>>>> charts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Long road ahead though !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20. 12. 14 20:45, ben wrote: Are we to think
>>>>>>>>>> that lower taxes on the rich is going to make
>>>>>>>>>> them give to the poor of their free will now? I
>>>>>>>>>> just dont think that giving have ever been a
>>>>>>>>>> strong tendency for the rich, and I dont see how
>>>>>>>>>> that will make the wealthgap shrink?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Im for less regulations by all means, but can
>>>>>>>>>> somebody enlighten me on how giving the people
>>>>>>>>>> that already are fucking up the world with
>>>>>>>>>> corporations running amok less rules is going to
>>>>>>>>>> fix this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2014-12-19 18:52 GMT+01.00, Amir Taaki
>>>>>>>>>> <genjix@???>:
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/rise-new-libertarians-meet-britains-next-political-generation-1469233
>>>>
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