odinn,
Ok, point made. You are happy with being on level 1.01 of the rabbit hole. Congrats on that .01
Considering how little you said with so many words i think you have a fine future in politics. Bravo.

Is anyone here ready for some actual truth? Send a sign please. Gettin' real lonely on level 7 ova ere.


> On Dec 22, 2014, at 5:23 AM, odinn <odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:
>
> >
>
> TecZ:
>> Is it really about money?
>
> No, it is what is done with the store of value... The debt and the
> nature of the effort which is related to that debt and how any
> resultant conflict is directed in a way is turned into business which
> helps those who generally are charged with managing investments and
> large scale business holdings.
>
> I have lived abroad for a few years and seen some ugly things. In
> that regard I am no different than a lot of people. Here then I will
> keep it short...
>
> I am trying to keep this very short because of my back and it is
> eaarly in the AM here where I am at. I think the best way to sum it
> up is from the International. What's interesting is how so on point
> they made it in this movie.... so I'll just focus on what the actor
> said to the lady who was inquiring of him right before he was
> assassinated. Interestingly, the assassin was himself supposed to be
> assassinated, by a police officer. In The International, all the
> lower level players were intended to be disposable ~ there was
> supposed to be some sort of sick, disposable system, which actually
> was more or less true to how it usually works out....
>
> Anyway, here is how the line was described in the movie:
>
> " [In explaining the "true" nature of banking in the world]
> The IBBC is a bank. Their objective isn't to control the conflict,
> it's to control the debt that the conflict produces.
>
> You see, the real value of a conflict, the true value, is in the
> debt that it creates. You control the debt, you control everything.
> You find this upsetting, yes? But this is the very essence of the
> banking industry, to make us all, whether we be nations or
> individuals, slaves to debt.
> ~ Umberto Calvini"
>
> It struck me after watching that film some while back, that either a
> long-term mercenary or a very experienced politician (and perhaps a
> banker) may have been given a few moments with the pen for those
> lines. But who can say such things, really?
>
> On the other hand, this line, as it was written, from the perspective
> of the character Umberto Calvini, was quite true in 2009 when The
> International was made. Today, with hundreds of d-cent currency-ish
> systems in use around the world today, and with 2015 marking the
> inflection point of the release (and further development of) anonymity
> tech the likes of which we have not yet seen, it is safe to say that
> the notion of "slaves to debt" as a line in a film must be
> reinterpreted. Indeed, what that means, and what is a store of value,
> and whether we wish to be a slave to it at all, need not be
> ceaselessly in someone else's hands, but should be much more in our
> own and further, we should be closer to being each able to enabling
> others to snap their own shackles. The notion of slavery need not
> merely be tied to "isms," but we may as one example conclude that the
> old and traditional notion of slavery is the result of a lack of
> compassion, and sharing. and that it is more pervasive than we'd like
> to admit ~ while at the same time examining that the new and multiple
> meanings of slavery also imply that we have the ability to break them all.
>
> Today, the debt is in our minds.
>
> Respect,
>
> - -O
>
>>
>> Serious question...
>>
>> If the central bankers can create trillions at will then is money
>> really their motivation ? Or just a tool they use to motivate the
>> greed of corporations, middle management and survival instinct of
>> the peseantry?
>>
>> If the central bankers don't value money then why do they do what
>> they do? Fear? Greed? Greed for what? Why do they want so much
>> control? To calm their fear???
>>
>> Then we are just back at the beginning of their psycho mind trip.
>> If they are making plans over the course of 100 years then they are
>> motivated by far deeper things...
>>
>> Those of us that keep babbling on about money and corporations have
>> zero hope of ever getting to the bottom of the problem here. We
>> need to acknowledge that this is a spiritual battle...
>>
>> Lets all go and do some REAL research about history and keep the
>> 180 degree rule in mind, else we will fritter away the chance
>> bitcoin is giving us to affect real change. Hoping this reaches at
>> least ONE person who can read between the lines....
>>
>> Peace
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:26 PM, snakecharmr
>>> <snakecharmr1024@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> Everybody wants freedom for themselves. Tyrants aren't willing to
>>> give freedom to others, usually because they are terrified of
>>> everyone (thinking of Stalin's paranoia).
>>>
>>> I think turning up the resolution beyond "rich vs poor" will
>>> demonstrate more complex strategies at work here. When
>>> governments propose "taxing the rich", it's usually the 0.0001%
>>> who actually write the laws (not necessarily gov) asking the
>>> bottom 80% to support putting obstacles up to block the top 10%
>>> (the controller's competitors) from actually overtaking them. So
>>> "taxing the rich" doesn't tax all the rich, because the people
>>> who write the laws always put loopholes in for them and their
>>> friends.
>>>
>>> If the money supply is fair, not rigged, then the only way the
>>> super wealthy can cash in on their wealth is by giving it to
>>> others in exchange for goods. Then they have less wealth and the
>>> only way for them to get it back is to do things for other
>>> people. If they never do things for other people, then they go
>>> bankrupt after a while.
>>>
>>> Money is just supposed to encode how much you've contributed to
>>> the economy minus how much you've taken. It's not perfect, and
>>> the fiat system skews it beyond recognition, but that's the idea
>>> of money. It's just memory.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 21, 2014, at 6:16 AM, lalu <lalu@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't think the number of rules is the problem, more so the
>>>> common belief that the pile of $ they sit on is worth something
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> Once this change, we can start building a world in which we
>>>> measure success not only by reading GDP charts.
>>>>
>>>> Long road ahead though !
>>>>
>>>>> On 20. 12. 14 20:45, ben wrote: Are we to think that lower
>>>>> taxes on the rich is going to make them give to the poor of
>>>>> their free will now? I just dont think that giving have ever
>>>>> been a strong tendency for the rich, and I dont see how that
>>>>> will make the wealthgap shrink?
>>>>>
>>>>> Im for less regulations by all means, but can somebody
>>>>> enlighten me on how giving the people that already are
>>>>> fucking up the world with corporations running amok less
>>>>> rules is going to fix this?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-12-19 18:52 GMT+01.00, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>:
>>>>>> http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/rise-new-libertarians-meet-britains-next-political-generation-1469233
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