Please guys, let's not throw away APT / dpkg, for me, it is a "killer
app" that makes Debian so amazing. Including debhelper, dh-* scripts
and etc...

We just need to, first, fork Debian, then, make systemd optional. That's it!

There is nothing compared to APT/dpkg out there... From 1996 to 2000,
I was a Slackware user (it simple doesn't care about the dependencies,
Slack just ignores it, and you must work a lot to figure out the deps
by hand), then, I tried RPM-based distros (bad times)... Too much
pain, too much bugs, too much problems (RedHat shit? No thanks, never
again).

Then, very quickly, I started to research/learn about Debian (Potato
if I'm not wrong), it was pure love since first day! No more pain, no
more "dependency hell", no more ugly bugs, it is near perfect (for
me). But, my love with Debian is about to end with Jessie +1.

That's why I'm here!! Because I would like to preserve this love that
I have for this project, specially for dpkg/APT/debhelper/dh-*.

Since Debian is now basiaclly owned by RedHat shit, we NEED to take it
back, and clean the mess. Just in case, just for the sake of safety
(do not put all your eggs at the same basket (i.e., systemd)...

Right now, I'm researching about Jenkins, and doing lots of tests with
my own "mini-Debian-fork", just for fun...

Best!
Thiago

On 13 December 2014 at 14:47, Yves <yvesjv@???> wrote:
> I have to admit apt and dpkg made me lazy.
> And systemd0 got in sneakily while performing a dist-upgrade...what a fuckup
> that was :- (
>
> Though I'm currently trying Slackware, slackpkg and slackbuilds. It is not
> bad at all.
>
> Perhaps just provide a package system that provides signed updated packages,
> security updates and have a separate site for devbuilds repository?
>
>
>
> On 12 December 2014 12:39:51 PM ACST, t.j.duchene@??? wrote:
>>
>>
>> >The FSF view is that Debian supports non-free because non-free is
>> >hosted on the same servers as main. In the FSF view non-free appears
>> >the same as experiment and backports do. See their official statement
>> >here. This has also been discussed many times on different lists.
>>
>> Please understand that while I hold the ideals of the FSF in good regard,
>> their endorsement means very little in the practical sense of real life.
>> Take something like Fedora, which refuses to package non-free code. It is
>> relatively useful, until you need flash support, non-free firmware for video
>> and wireless hardware, or video and audio codecs. Simple fact is that if you
>> do things the FSF way, you end up with a crippled s! ystem with limited
>> usability.
>>
>> Fedora attempted to solve this with third party repositories, but in my
>> experience third party repositories have QA issues. I’ve seen Fedora’s
>> Livna and Suse’s PACMAN repositories have really awful package consistency
>> problems from time to time.
>>
>> If I might venture an observation, Devuan’s time would be best focused on
>> building a core with as few usability issues as possible. This would mean
>> having the proper kernel firmware. The rest of the Debian repository can
>> wait until that core is established.
>>
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