On Sat, Dec 06, 2014 at 10:59:17PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Pleased to see so many experienced *nix hands taking issue
> with Debian plans for introducing systemd, and seeking
> alternatives.
>
> It will certainly take some months to be able to establish
> the infrastructure teams and processes to deliver a new
> distribution derived from Debian. In the interim I think it
> would be nice to offer some path forward to jessie or sid
> users wanting to escape the web of systemd dependencies.
>
> If we can provide equivalent packages *without* the systemd
> dependency through a separate repository, users wanting to
> avoid systemd could simply add the repo to their
> /etc/apt/sources.list.

Well, this has been already discussed many time:
Devuan initially will follow this path, and only in a 2nd phase will be
a complete fork of the project.

If you look in our github you can see that our very first package
devuan-baseconf does exactly what you are saying, add our repos on
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan.list

For "our" jessie ( devuan 1.0 ) we will be just a partial repo
with all packages needed to avoid systemd things and the rest will come
from "usual" debian repos.

> So one strategy is to pin those key packages to versions
> that don't depend on systemd. For example, pinning dbus
> 1.5.8-1, avoids systemd dependencies via dbus.[1,2] That
> approach is worth researching and publicizing.

Also what we are doing by pinning our repo with 700 precedence
and pinning our systemd-sysv with -1 precedence
>
> A member of the debian-user mailing list analyzed the
> package dependencies on systemd components on his system and
> generated some graphs.[3] The graphs are not authoritative as
> he only analyzed the packages installed on his system;
> nevertheless they quite informative.

We also do the same


> While he wasn't interested in pursuing the project further
> than his own needs, he kindly passed me his patches to the
> package sources. Please contact me if you are interested
> on working on these packages, which include:
>
> dbus
> fcgiwrap
> gvfs
> php5
> policykit
> pulseaudio
> udisks2
>
> I've started with dbus.[4] If someone can build
> amd64 and i386 versions of this package, that is
> something we can distribute.

Feel free to contribute those packages on our github repository,
opening an issue on the repo "devuan-project", so i can add you to a
team and let you open repository for those packages!


> Thanks for your attention. Kind regards,

Thanks for your contribution!


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