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I never was a supporter of the "Unix philosophy", I just decided
to make a Unix-compatible system.

previously he stated

> If I want to run GNU/Linux instead of systemd/Linux

The systems that contain systemd are also GNU/Linux systems.



On 03/12/14 12:04, Gregory Smith wrote:
> What did RMS say? I emailed him awhile ago and he didn't respond at all.
>
> Linux userland didn't always use crap like DBUS, policykit, etc. One
> could just revive the old branches, one by one. They worked fine.
> Often had better performance. The code still exists in a findable form
> thanks to debian publishing source ISOs every release.
>
> Why stay on the linux kernel: hardware support and PaX/GRsecurity.
> Those are the reasons.
>
> Linus loves systemd aswell. All the linux hire-ups are fucks these
> days (maybe they always were). Maybe the kernel needs to be forked
> eventually too (GRSecurity basically does this with their epic patch,
> so it's not impossible).
>
> Maybe a STABLE branch of the linux kernel might then exist again!
>
> I think they're letting their politics drive them. RMS, Linus, etc all
> agree with "social justice", and Lennart promotes this aswell, so it's
> comfortable. Just look at who they married:
>
> Linus: Google search
> ... That's about it, no one else married anyone...
> But they don't strive towards pretty women, and definitly not cute
> young girls. No, that would be "opressive" and "objectifying". So they
> go with large karate champs (I have no idea how these two concepts
> melded into one personification, but they did). They take their life
> where there is the possibility of being happy and having a pretty
> girl, and they throw that away.
>
>
> On 12/3/14, Zak Fenton <zak.fenton@???> wrote:
>> It's a really interesting idea (whether it's BSD-on-Linux or a new
>> user-land) and I'd like to discuss it further, but I don't think here is the
>> place.
>>
>> I may email you privately with some thoughts, but if you're looking for a
>> broader perspective I'd try http://forum.osdev.org/ or a more general Linux
>> forum or mailing list.
>>
>> ________________________________
>>> From: chris@???
>>> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:11:31 +0000
>>> To: dng@???
>>> Subject: [Dng] Is forking enough?
>>>
>>> Policy kit is mired in systemd via pam/systemd deps and in any case I
>>> can see policy kit / console kit being subsumed by systemd before very
>>> long
>>>
>>> Then there's dbus, seems like a good idea to allow processes to send
>>> messages to each other - except there is no security, an unprivileged
>>> user can bring a system down or do a whole bunch of stuff...
>>>
>>> And this is just a few examples...
>>>
>>> After emailing RMS apparently he seems quite happy with systemd taking
>>> over the Linux user land and not only that he "never really agreed with
>>> the Unix philosophy" in any case.
>>>
>>> I really do wonder now if its time to throw the cuckoo out of the bath
>>> and sit a new userland entirely on top of the Linux kernel...
>>>
>>> Why the Linux kernel and not just BSD ??
>>>
>>> well flame all you want but the Linux kernel still has way better
>>> hardware support...
>>>
>>> If only there were a pure BSD userland on top of a Linux kernel somewhere!
>>>
>>>
>>>
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