"We stand on the shoulders of giants"
to
"Oh, now that we've reached the sky, kill the giants, don't need them anymore"
-RMS
-Linus
-etc
On 12/3/14, Gregory Smith <gregorysmith1974a@???> wrote:
> So he just picked something that actually had a standard he could
> follow when he was small.
>
> Now that he's big-time he's happy to jettison that and FK all the
> people that relied on his thing (being unix).
>
> What a son of a bitch.
>
> On 12/3/14, chris <chris@???> wrote:
>>
>> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
>> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>>
>> I never was a supporter of the "Unix philosophy", I just decided
>> to make a Unix-compatible system.
>>
>> previously he stated
>>
>> > If I want to run GNU/Linux instead of systemd/Linux
>>
>> The systems that contain systemd are also GNU/Linux systems.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/12/14 12:04, Gregory Smith wrote:
>>> What did RMS say? I emailed him awhile ago and he didn't respond at all.
>>>
>>> Linux userland didn't always use crap like DBUS, policykit, etc. One
>>> could just revive the old branches, one by one. They worked fine.
>>> Often had better performance. The code still exists in a findable form
>>> thanks to debian publishing source ISOs every release.
>>>
>>> Why stay on the linux kernel: hardware support and PaX/GRsecurity.
>>> Those are the reasons.
>>>
>>> Linus loves systemd aswell. All the linux hire-ups are fucks these
>>> days (maybe they always were). Maybe the kernel needs to be forked
>>> eventually too (GRSecurity basically does this with their epic patch,
>>> so it's not impossible).
>>>
>>> Maybe a STABLE branch of the linux kernel might then exist again!
>>>
>>> I think they're letting their politics drive them. RMS, Linus, etc all
>>> agree with "social justice", and Lennart promotes this aswell, so it's
>>> comfortable. Just look at who they married:
>>>
>>> Linus: Google search
>>> ... That's about it, no one else married anyone...
>>> But they don't strive towards pretty women, and definitly not cute
>>> young girls. No, that would be "opressive" and "objectifying". So they
>>> go with large karate champs (I have no idea how these two concepts
>>> melded into one personification, but they did). They take their life
>>> where there is the possibility of being happy and having a pretty
>>> girl, and they throw that away.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/3/14, Zak Fenton <zak.fenton@???> wrote:
>>>> It's a really interesting idea (whether it's BSD-on-Linux or a new
>>>> user-land) and I'd like to discuss it further, but I don't think here
>>>> is
>>>> the
>>>> place.
>>>>
>>>> I may email you privately with some thoughts, but if you're looking for
>>>> a
>>>> broader perspective I'd try http://forum.osdev.org/ or a more general
>>>> Linux
>>>> forum or mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: chris@???
>>>>> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2014 09:11:31 +0000
>>>>> To: dng@???
>>>>> Subject: [Dng] Is forking enough?
>>>>>
>>>>> Policy kit is mired in systemd via pam/systemd deps and in any case I
>>>>> can see policy kit / console kit being subsumed by systemd before very
>>>>> long
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there's dbus, seems like a good idea to allow processes to send
>>>>> messages to each other - except there is no security, an unprivileged
>>>>> user can bring a system down or do a whole bunch of stuff...
>>>>>
>>>>> And this is just a few examples...
>>>>>
>>>>> After emailing RMS apparently he seems quite happy with systemd taking
>>>>> over the Linux user land and not only that he "never really agreed
>>>>> with
>>>>> the Unix philosophy" in any case.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really do wonder now if its time to throw the cuckoo out of the bath
>>>>> and sit a new userland entirely on top of the Linux kernel...
>>>>>
>>>>> Why the Linux kernel and not just BSD ??
>>>>>
>>>>> well flame all you want but the Linux kernel still has way better
>>>>> hardware support...
>>>>>
>>>>> If only there were a pure BSD userland on top of a Linux kernel
>>>>> somewhere!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
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