On 12/02/2014 09:00 PM, Noel Torres wrote:
> On Tuesday, 2 de December de 2014 10:06:59 Richard escribió:
>> Very well stated, Miles.
>>
>> If this is a fork to remove systemd from our computers, what is the benefit
>> to speak of supporting that from which we aim to distance ourselves.
>>
>> Why would someone say, "I want systemd", then ask that the group who does
>> not want systemd should then say yes, we will support systemd? And dilute
>> our time, effort and money because someone might say that we are not being
>> free enough.
>>
>> Seems that they need to find a group whose aim is to support systemd?
> Richard, this has already been discussed.
>
> If systemd is (or can be made to be) in a shape where we can use it as an init
> system only without contaminating the rest of the distribution, we will
> support it. Not doing so is agains users' freedom.
>
> We are pro users' freedom, not anti systemd.
>
> Removing systemd from the distro is a first step not because it is sstemd, but
> because it contaminates all the distro and does so in an ant freedom way.
>
> And last but not least, supporting systemd is not a priority at all. The
> philosophical point of not rejecting it plainly is important, anyway.
>
> We do not force you to install systemd, and not even to contribute to support
> it. But we do not accept you telling us to remove the "freedom to eat shit"
> from the users.
>
> Please stop. Hate has no place here.
>
> Regards
>
> Noel
> er Envite
>
I think Franco Lanza said it best here:

On 12/01/2014 09:22 AM, Franco Lanza wrote: (Re: [Dng] No systemd:
Please be sane and keep to the path you have chosen.)
> The pragmatic approach is very symple: we are not against systemd if
> systemd will permit us to let it to be a non-intrusive option.
>
> We are against ANY intrusive option, systemd or any other thing, and we
> will NOT support any intrusive thing will arise.
>
> NO ONE in devuan will be forced to use systemd or any other piece of
> intrusive shit, never.