On 12/02/2014 08:43 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote:
> I'm just going to express an opinion here, and I apologize if anyone
> takes offense, but I feel it is important that it be said if Devuan is
> going to gain ground and the respect of its peers. I think that the
> best effort should be made to maintain a friendly dialogue with
> Debian, especially since no matter what direct Devuan decides to go,
> we are still going to be getting upstream code from them. A lot of
> the posts I see are anti-systemd and while this disdain is perhaps
> will earned, Devuan can't just focus on a group hate of systemd. I'm
> not trying to annoy with that suggestion, only that that is what
> Devuan might appear to be to someone who does not understand what we
> are about.
I think this should be kinda self-evident to members with much
experience. No need to feel like you're on the offensive or annoying.
>
> Devuan should provide a solid statement to the rest of the community
> about its intentions if it is
> going to be taken seriously on any level. Like Debian, Devuan has to
> establish a set of project goals and a standard of quality in order to
> attract contributors. Our concern over systemd lacking that standard
> of quality is really why we are here. Anyone can take code and fork
> it, what really makes a difference is not that we are willing, it is
> what we do with the opportunity presented here.
I agree with this, but the leadership seems not to care much to focus on
this right now. I think they don't care because they have enough
'internal' members working on their internal higher priorities that they
don't care to define why 'external' members might care to help. They
rely on the assumption that their vague website is clear enough.

And I won't tell you what stupid things they said on IRC when I asked
them about this since I want this project to succeed.