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Autor: Sascha Mester
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To: dng
Betreff: Re: [Dng] I want systemd
I just read a post in the same mailing list within the same thread which
sounds something like this:

> Rule #1: systemd maintainers worldview is always correct
>
> Rule #2: In the unexpected case that you think the worldview of
> systemd maintainers is incorrect, apply rule #1.
>
> Thanks,
>
> tglx


Source :
> http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01435.html



True Story, isn't it?



Am 01.12.2014 um 11:59 schrieb Aldemir Akpinar:
>
>
>
>     Agree with you on all points, except, perhaps, "ill-will towards
>     it's developers."

>
>     Given their intent to remake Linux in their image:
>     http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html

>
>     their everyone else be damned attitude:
>     "Also note that at that point we intend to move udev onto kdbus as
>     transport, and get rid of the userspace-to-userspace netlink-based
>     tranport udev used so far. Unless the systemd-haters prepare
>     another kdbus userspace until then this will effectively also mean
>     that we will not support non-systemd systems with udev anymore
>     starting at that point. Gentoo folks, this is your wakeup call."
>     (Lennart Poettering,
>     http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html)

>
>     and their general propensity for breaking things, leading to
>     reactions from no less than Linus Torvalds:
>     "Key, I'm f*cking tired of the fact that you don't fix problems in the
>     code *you* write, so that the kernel then has to work around the
>     problems you cause.
>     Greg - just for your information, I will *not* be merging any code
>     from Kay into the kernel until this constant pattern is fixed."
>     (http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1404.0/01331.html)

>
>     Maybe just a little ill-will toward it's developers is well
>     deserved, as a response to their ill-will toward the rest of us.

>
>     Miles Fidelman

>
>
>
> Miles has lots valid points here, and don't forget there will be a
> time where one has to choose between systemd or something else. Many
> distributions saw that, and chose systemd. And I don't think anyone
> can deny that, that point in time isn't far away. So why bother
> wasting our time and effort on systemd?
>
> If anyone wants to maintain systemd on devuan without breaking
> anything (and has the sanity) he/she is more than welcome, but it is a
> vain effort.
> Please try to see this.
> --
> aldemir
>
>
>
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