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Autor: Andrew Miller
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Para: System undo crew
Assunto: Re: [unSYSTEM] My interview with Vinay Gupta
I loved this interview.

This particularly stuck with me:
"If you wind up in a situation where these guys win, where Bitcoin
actually displaces the dollar and becomes the global reserve currency,
every cut corner and every political error in their deep thinking will
become the new chains that bind humanity."

This suggestion was really surprising to me: "My suggestion for
Bitcoin would be to integrate Wall Street as fast as humanly possible.
... If Bitcoin is gonna drift into Wall Street, let’s teach them some
of our bad habits. Let us make them like us, rather than us becoming
like them." I'm used to just sort of ignoring the attempts to
integrate wall street and make Bitcoin "mainstream", it's obviously
appealing to bitcoin business people who want to make money,
potentially dangerous since they want to cooperate/collude with
regulators, eitherway it's not my bag. But maybe there's more to it
than that.

And this part here:
"We’ve gotten pretty good at this idea that with enough eyes all bugs
are shallow – that’s the classic saying about open source security.
But we now have a new set of security problems, which is not about
finding bugs, but about analysing motives. So we need lots of eyes
analysing motives, finding out whether or not we’re basically shooting
ourselves in the foot here."
basically matches how I express my research direction. We need to do
as good a job with engineering/modeling of incentive structures as we
did with cryptography in the 80s-90s.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???> wrote:
>
> ``If these libertarians would be good enough to grow the hell up and become anarchists like normal people, then perhaps they would start to get serious about controlling centralized authorities rather than fantasizing that they will cease to exist.''
>
> There are occasions when I feel like my mind is tuned in on some mystical
> subspace thought-sharing-channel and right now would be one of them.
>
> I suppose it's also a decent time to announce that on the 15th, I'll be
> speaking on exactly that:
>
> https://github.com/squatconf/talks/blob/master/confirmed/united_as_one_divided_by_zero.md
>
> Also (in case you missed the mail) genjix and substack will also be speaking.
>
>
> On 11/05/2014 07:12 PM, Ben Vickers wrote:
> > Beyond fanship, I'm super curious to know what the response is of those
> > reading here?
> >
> > Because in a way it feels like the interview is a bit of a call to action
> > and/or rebuttal of the subjects commonly discussed here.
> >
> > On 5 November 2014 17:29, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
> >
> >> im a fan of him too.
> >> wish i made that wedding, it sounded great.
> >>
> >> On 11/05/2014 05:22 PM, Mike Gogulski wrote:
> >>> Well done, Aaron!
> >>>
> >>> I'm a big fan of Vinay -- heck, I had him officiate at my wedding last
> >>> year. Seeing him pin down some of his thinking on Bitcoin like this is
> >>> great.
> >>>
> >>> Peace,
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>> On 11/05/2014 05:36 PM, Aaron van Wirdum wrote:
> >>>> This is probably gonna be a tough crowd (or maybe not), but I know
> >>>> that at least some of you know and respect Vinay Gupta, so you might
> >>>> be interested in my interview with our global resilience guru:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> http://bitcoinmagazine.com/18000/bitcoin-is-teaching-realism-to-libertarians-an-interview-with-old-school-cypherpunk-vinay-gupta/
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers, Aaron.
> >>>>
> >>>>
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