Enric,

My initial contribution to Fair.coop was to make a kind of "8000
metre-high view" of how I felt terms could be considered or
reconsidered very generally so as to indicate how these terms might be
considered within the project itself.
Link to my initial contribution (a bit over three weeks ago) is under
the username ABISprotocol, commenting at
https://fair.coop/members/Alwarja/activity/2292/#acomment-2443

I feel a bit more prepared now to make a more technical
contribution, having gotten through the formative linguistic intro,
and I am curious if the more technical contributions are recorded
somehow in the context of faircoin, e.g., hashed into the system
itself in a fashion similar to keybase so as to maintain a
decentralized record - such as is described at
https://keybase.io/docs/server_security/merkle_root_in_bitcoin_blockchain
or perhaps similar to the proof of existence using bitcoin --
http://www.proofofexistence.com/about - or something similar to
Unsystem/PayPub https://github.com/unsystem/paypub - I sense these
would be good to explore so as to make decentralized "markers" within
Faircoin itself, of certain ideas or contributions as time goes on, so
as to describe or document the evolution of thought using the coin
itself. But that is just one idea, let me know of your thoughts about it.

Having thoroughly gone through https://fair.coop/ways-to-participate/
and explored this through my initial contribution of ideas, I have
also thought of minting, but first would like to contribute in github at
https://github.com/FairCoinTeam/libfaircoin and also at
https://github.com/FairCoinTeam/faircoin-wallet

I have been formulating some ideas for that which I will soon present
as either issues or as pull request directly. I look forward to your
thoughts.

- -Odinn


Enric Duran Giralt wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This Bauwens article, was wrote some weeks ago and is not related
> with fair.coop in any way.
>
> Otherwise, I am collaborating with him from last months and i have
> better experiences than you. For intance i dont liked also the
> partner state reference, and i confirmed with him that it was
> needed in the context of Flok society project to include the funder
> in the proposal, but he agreed with me and like more that this
> transition can be done without the state. We, as a CIC, are going
> to work together with p2p-f, in a transition plan from below
> without governments, to generate a more p2p alternative to the
> first process.
>
> Also, i see as a phalacy to critize fair.coop plans because p2p-f
> is involved, because the 99% of the plan and ideology behind it,
> comes from me and other Cooperativa Integral Catalana related
> comrades. (some of there also related to dark wallet) So please, if
> you want to critize, fair.coop, do this in base of our
> background,and the concret plan that we are going to do.
>
> In relation between institutions and protocols. I dont see
> contradiction, because we are going to create a open participatory
> process responsible to agree about protocols. Therefore collective
> organization could be able to create p2p tools that becames useful
> to all the decentralized network i can see that this has been done
> succesful diferent times (for example, FSF with defending free
> software...).
>
> In this sense the decition process, is very less centralized than
> the current practices of a lot of groups that could be involved
> https://fair.coop/decisions-process/ and very less than bitcoin
> foundation or other bitcoin representative organizations
>
> regs enric
>
>
>
>
>
>
> El 19/09/14 11:12, Nicolas Mendoza escribió:
>> Don't fall for the positive pandering at the beginning of the
>> text. That is there only to make it seem like an honest and
>> impartial analysis. But it is not, as the manipulation of
>> distribution figures, lack of dates and references, and use of
>> heavily biased terminology show.
>>
>> This is just more Krugman from someone who is unable to
>> understand Bitcoin and unwilling to think beyond the rigid
>> framework imposed by Marxist terminology. As someone relatively
>> close to Bauwens and the P2P foundation, I have tried for years
>> to make him see how it is the Dollar-USArmy dynamics that
>> perpetuates Empire, or how politically controlled currency by
>> definition fosters an elite class that dominates society. But
>> such notions are way too close to actual reality to make a dent
>> in a mind that is already shaped by a quite rigid abstract
>> universal model and by the vocabulary in which it is rooted.
>> Trying to reason Bitcoin with Bauwens has been a very frustrating
>> experience, since we always come back to some liberal catchword
>> that is meaningless in the context of the blockchain.
>>
>> After working with/for P2P Foundation for some time, I've grown
>> disillutioned by the direction it has, because the underlying
>> project is not really P2P. For instance a term that is being
>> pumped is "The Partner State", which I think speaks for itself.
>> The Partner State is the contradiction of the very notion of P2P.
>> In addition to the Partner State, P2PF discourse has steered
>> towards proposing a society based on the conformation of a series
>> of institutions that are aligned with their ideology. This,
>> again, is far from being a real P2P project. I have expressed
>> repeatedly that for real P2P we must go beyond platforms, and
>> think in terms of protocols. As you can see in FairCoin, the
>> important part is not really the Coin, but the control
>> institutions attached to it. It's more of the same.
>>
>> I think it's a combination of ideological rigidity (even if
>> disguised as a P2P guy, a liberal will always be a liberal), the
>> inability to think differently due to decades of ideological
>> conditioning, and sheer lack of imagination.
>>
>> For the record, I too think Bitcoin is massively flawed, and at
>> the same time I've been holding some since 2011 for obvious
>> reasons. The point I want to make is not that Bitcoin is perfect,
>> but that the Bauwen's critique is irelevant because it originates
>> exclusively from the fact that Bitcoin differs from his liberal
>> ideology, and it does not further explore the complexities,
>> paradoxes and strangeness of Bitcoin in the real world.
>>
>> There are other critiques that do, and I find those much more
>> important, but that is another story.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:08 AM, Joerg Platzer <joerg@???
>> <mailto:joerg@room77.de>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This may be a good moment ​to quote the definition of fascism
>> as defined by its inventor, Benito Mussolini:
>>
>>
>> "Fascism as the merging of politacal and corporate power."
>>
>>
>> And now, Ladies and Gentlemen, take a look around you and tell
>> me what kind of system we live in!
>>
>>
>> ++jp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
*Von:* unSYSTEM <unsystem-bounces@???
>> <mailto:unsystem-bounces@lists.dyne.org>> im Auftrag von Tim
>> Patrick <judoman589@??? <mailto:judoman589@gmail.com>>
>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. September 2014 21:12 *An:* System
>> undo crew *Betreff:* Re: [unSYSTEM] A political evaluation of
>> Bitcoin by M. Bauwens  So this lad thinks bitcoin will bring
>> about the negative consequence of fascism....
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 8:38 AM, Enric Duran Giralt
>> <enric@??? <mailto:enric@enricduran.cat>> wrote:
>>
>> Interesting read
>>
>> http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/a-political-evaluation-of-bitcoin/2014/09/09
>>
>>
>>
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