> Any thoughts about this guys?
>
> http://www.wired.com/2014/10/overstock-com-assembles-coders-build-bitcoin-like-stock-market/
>
> 2014-10-07 11:53 GMT+02.00, ben <colypse@???>:
>> Ive been listening to watts a lot lately, and most of our worlds
>> problems seems to me are created by everyone following their ego. And
>> when its not real, a hallucination, or just an idea makes us still do
>> crazy shit in its name.
>>
>> Watts also said that we need to leave our enviroments alone, and not
>> try to master it(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXiSPpfM54), and I
>> think that is what Amir said in the Keiser show is so great; its about
>> the process. This whole experience of life and existence is evolving.
>> And still when it seems that the world is getting worse its improving.
>> "You wont find peaks without valleys, and no valley without peaks."
>> watts
>>
>> 2014-10-07 9:03 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
>>> Takes me back to studying Greek and Latin roots in primary school. Nice.
>>> I
>>> didn't know that (or forgot that I knew it!) about "person", and oddly it
>>> hasn't occurred to me before. I hate when that happens. So this is a
>>> Latin
>>> compound, then.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:43 AM, ben <colypse@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Do you know that the word 'person' means 'mask'? The 'persona' which
>>>> is the mask worn by actors in Greco-Roman drama, because it has a
>>>> megaphone-type mouth which throws the sound out in an open-air
>>>> theater. So the 'per'--through--'sona'--what the sound comes
>>>> through--that's the mask. How to be a real person. How to be a genuine
>>>> fake.
>>>>
>>>> -Allan Watts
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> 2014-10-07 3:31 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
>>>>> Oops.
>>>>>
>>>>> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In the middle of switching between domains over here. Sent from my
>>>>> 2Peer.org address by mistake, and it's stuck in the ether. Sorry
>>>>> Odin/admins. It's still me.
>>>>>
>>>>> -J
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The
>>>> masks
>>>>>>> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would
>>>>>>> permit
>>>>>>> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
>>>>>>> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
>>>>>>> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
>>>>>>> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal,
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> as romantic encounters.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all
>>>>>>> citizens
>>>>>>> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the
>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
>>>>>>> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret
>>>>>>> ballots
>>>> in
>>>>>>> modern democracies.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
>>>>>>>> What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>>> that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>> them on the street and decide if I want to give them food,
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark
>>>>>>>> deep
>>>>>>>> web connections.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely
>>>>>>>> legal
>>>>>>>> and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to
>>>>>>>> deal
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market
>>>>>>>> selling
>>>>>>>> the wine you like,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
>>>>>>>> appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
>>>>>>>> "conspicuous anonymity" will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to
>>>>>>>> de-anonymize,
>>>>>>>> but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do
>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>> that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to
>>>>>>>> get
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a
>>>>>>>> HUD-like
>>>>>>>> overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused
>>>>>>>> (even
>>>>>>>> obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
>>>>>>>> preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything
>>>>>>>> wrong
>>>>>>>> with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost
>>>>>>>> electricity
>>>>>>>> for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere
>>>>>>>> else.
>>>>>>>> That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>>> the most efficient way to do their business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem?
>>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it
>>>>>>>> violates
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
>>>>>>>> connections does not and should not offend merely because they are
>>>>>>>> rich.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -J
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
>>>>>>>> <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it's great that paranoid people are working on
>>>>>>>> anonymous
>>>>>>> deep
>>>>>>>> web crypto.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing
>>>>>>>> broken
>>>>>>>> (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of
>>>>>>>> buying
>>>>>>>> low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
>>>>>>> anon-coin-mining
>>>>>>>> data centers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>>>>>>> device
>>>>>>>> that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>>>>>>> meet
>>>>>>>> them on the street and decide if I want to give them food,
>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark
>>>>>>>> deep
>>>>>>>> web connections.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
>>>>>>>> > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous
>>>> deep
>>>>>>> web
>>>>>>>> > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users
>>>> demanding
>>>>>>> privacy
>>>>>>>> > and freedom from the legacy systems. There's already a new
>>>> type
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC
>>>> and
>>>>>>>> > vice-versa. So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and
>>>> also
>>>>>>> into the
>>>>>>>> > networks. While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on
>>>> their
>>>>>>>> plan to
>>>>>>>> > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>. I've been
>>>>>>>> involved with
>>>>>>>> > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> large masses
>>>>>>>> > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything. If
>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>> > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
>>>>>>>> pro-regulation
>>>>>>>> > camps. And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> coin is
>>>>>>>> > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now. And
>>>>>>>> anonymous
>>>>>>>> plus
>>>>>>>> > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here
>>>> now.
>>>>>>>> That's
>>>>>>>> > where system-D monies will eventually start to head. Not to
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> permanently
>>>>>>>> > public bitcoin blockchain. Also I don't feel that anything
>>>>>>>> built
>>>>>>>> off or
>>>>>>>> > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real
>>>>>>>> life
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> death
>>>>>>>> > anonymity, but it may make users feel better. So could help
>>>>>>>> further the
>>>>>>>> > cryptocoin cause. Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to be be
>>>>>>>> > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a
>>>>>>>> day
>>>>>>>> IMHO. While
>>>>>>>> > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may
>>>>>>>> add
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> > discussions. Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped
>>>> raise
>>>>>>>> funds also.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
>>>>>>>> <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:
>>>> washington.sanchez@???
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
>>>>>>>> > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
>>>>>>>> <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>> > > wrote:
>>>>>>>> > >
>>>>>>>> > >> First I was censored
>>>>>>>> > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the worst
>>>>>>>> > >> type of thinking we can encounter.
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the
>>>>>>>> government,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>>> > >> to be pragmatic"
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but
>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> villain,
>>>>>>>> > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there
>>>>>>>> needs
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> > >> regulation"
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
>>>>>>> reason.
>>>>>>>> > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> - Juan Llanos
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> Me response
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327
>>>>>>>> > >>
>>>>>>>> > >> - Julia Tourianski
>>>>>>>> > >>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'
>>>>>>>> hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
>>>>>>>> 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
>>>>>>>> grid.coop <http://grid.coop>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the
>>>>>>>> barrel,
>>>>>>>> nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
>>>>>>>>
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