Ive been listening to watts a lot lately, and most of our worlds
problems seems to me are created by everyone following their ego. And
when its not real, a hallucination, or just an idea makes us still do
crazy shit in its name.
Watts also said that we need to leave our enviroments alone, and not
try to master it(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LXiSPpfM54), and I
think that is what Amir said in the Keiser show is so great; its about
the process. This whole experience of life and existence is evolving.
And still when it seems that the world is getting worse its improving.
"You wont find peaks without valleys, and no valley without peaks."
watts
2014-10-07 9:03 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
> Takes me back to studying Greek and Latin roots in primary school. Nice. I
> didn't know that (or forgot that I knew it!) about "person", and oddly it
> hasn't occurred to me before. I hate when that happens. So this is a Latin
> compound, then.
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 1:43 AM, ben <colypse@???> wrote:
>
>> Do you know that the word 'person' means 'mask'? The 'persona' which
>> is the mask worn by actors in Greco-Roman drama, because it has a
>> megaphone-type mouth which throws the sound out in an open-air
>> theater. So the 'per'--through--'sona'--what the sound comes
>> through--that's the mask. How to be a real person. How to be a genuine
>> fake.
>>
>> -Allan Watts
>>
>> :)
>>
>> 2014-10-07 3:31 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
>> > Oops.
>> >
>> > The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>> >
>> >
>> > In the middle of switching between domains over here. Sent from my
>> > 2Peer.org address by mistake, and it's stuck in the ether. Sorry
>> > Odin/admins. It's still me.
>> >
>> > -J
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
>> >>>
>> >>> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The
>> masks
>> >>> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but have
>> >>> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device
>> >>> for
>> >>> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would permit
>> >>> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
>> >>> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
>> >>> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
>> >>> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal,
>> >>> such
>> >>> as romantic encounters.
>> >>>
>> >>> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask and
>> >>> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory to
>> >>> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all citizens
>> >>> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the
>> >>> right
>> >>> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
>> >>> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret ballots
>> in
>> >>> modern democracies.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
>> >>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>> >>> > device
>> >>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>> >>> > meet
>> >>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>> >>> > web connections.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what
>> >>> > will
>> >>> > be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely
>> >>> > legal
>> >>> > and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact that
>> >>> > you
>> >>> > know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to deal
>> >>> > with
>> >>> > you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market
>> >>> > selling
>> >>> > the wine you like,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
>> >>> > appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
>> >>> > "conspicuous anonymity" will.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to
>> >>> > de-anonymize,
>> >>> > but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade
>> >>> > or
>> >>> > associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do
>> >>> > do
>> >>> > that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to get
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a
>> >>> > HUD-like
>> >>> > overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused (even
>> >>> > obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
>> >>> > preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything
>> >>> > wrong
>> >>> > with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost
>> >>> > electricity
>> >>> > for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere
>> >>> > else.
>> >>> > That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources to
>> >>> > find
>> >>> > the most efficient way to do their business.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem?
>> >>> > I'm
>> >>> > on
>> >>> > board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it violates
>> >>> > the
>> >>> > non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
>> >>> > connections does not and should not offend merely because they are
>> >>> > rich.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -J
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
>> >>> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I think it's great that paranoid people are working on
>> >>> > anonymous
>> >>> deep
>> >>> > web crypto.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing
>> >>> > broken
>> >>> > (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of
>> >>> > buying
>> >>> > low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings
>> >>> > of
>> >>> > industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
>> >>> anon-coin-mining
>> >>> > data centers.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>> >>> > device
>> >>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>> >>> > meet
>> >>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>> >>> > web connections.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
>> >>> > > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous
>> deep
>> >>> web
>> >>> > > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users
>> demanding
>> >>> privacy
>> >>> > > and freedom from the legacy systems. There's already a new
>> type
>> >>> of
>> >>> > > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC
>> and
>> >>> > > vice-versa. So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and
>> also
>> >>> into the
>> >>> > > networks. While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on
>> their
>> >>> > plan to
>> >>> > > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>. I've been
>> >>> > involved with
>> >>> > > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't
>> >>> > have
>> >>> > large masses
>> >>> > > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything. If
>> >>> anything
>> >>> > > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
>> >>> > pro-regulation
>> >>> > > camps. And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once
>> the
>> >>> > coin is
>> >>> > > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now. And
>> >>> > anonymous
>> >>> > plus
>> >>> > > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here
>> now.
>> >>> > That's
>> >>> > > where system-D monies will eventually start to head. Not to
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > permanently
>> >>> > > public bitcoin blockchain. Also I don't feel that anything
>> >>> > built
>> >>> > off or
>> >>> > > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real
>> >>> > life
>> >>> > or
>> >>> > death
>> >>> > > anonymity, but it may make users feel better. So could help
>> >>> > further the
>> >>> > > cryptocoin cause. Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's
>> >>> > going
>> >>> > to be be
>> >>> > > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a day
>> >>> > IMHO. While
>> >>> > > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may
>> >>> > add
>> >>> > to
>> >>> > these
>> >>> > > discussions. Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped
>> raise
>> >>> > funds also.
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
>> >>> > <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:
>> washington.sanchez@???
>> >>> >>
>> >>> > > wrote:
>> >>> > >
>> >>> > > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
>> >>> > > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
>> >>> > <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>> >>> > > > wrote:
>> >>> > > >
>> >>> > > >> First I was censored
>> >>> > > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This
>> >>> > is
>> >>> > the worst
>> >>> > > >> type of thinking we can encounter.
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the
>> >>> > government,
>> >>> > but
>> >>> > you have
>> >>> > > >> to be pragmatic"
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but
>> >>> > be
>> >>> > a
>> >>> > villain,
>> >>> > > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there
>> >>> > needs
>> >>> > to
>> >>> be
>> >>> > > >> regulation"
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
>> >>> reason.
>> >>> > > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> - Juan Llanos
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> Me response
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327
>> >>> > > >>
>> >>> > > >> - Julia Tourianski
>> >>> > > >>
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>> >>> > Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'
>> >>> > hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
>> >>> > 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
>> >>> > grid.coop <http://grid.coop>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the
>> >>> > barrel,
>> >>> > nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
>> >>> >
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