Takes me back to studying Greek and Latin roots in primary school. Nice. I
hasn't occurred to me before. I hate when that happens. So this is a Latin
> Do you know that the word 'person' means 'mask'? The 'persona' which
> is the mask worn by actors in Greco-Roman drama, because it has a
> megaphone-type mouth which throws the sound out in an open-air
> theater. So the 'per'--through--'sona'--what the sound comes
> through--that's the mask. How to be a real person. How to be a genuine
> fake.
>
> -Allan Watts
>
> :)
>
> 2014-10-07 3:31 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
> > Oops.
> >
> > The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
> >
> >
> > In the middle of switching between domains over here. Sent from my
> > 2Peer.org address by mistake, and it's stuck in the ether. Sorry
> > Odin/admins. It's still me.
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???> wrote:
> >
> >> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
> >>
> >>> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
> >>>
> >>> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The
> masks
> >>> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but have
> >>> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device for
> >>> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would permit
> >>> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
> >>> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
> >>> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
> >>> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal, such
> >>> as romantic encounters.
> >>>
> >>> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask and
> >>> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory to
> >>> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all citizens
> >>> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the right
> >>> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
> >>> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret ballots
> in
> >>> modern democracies.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
> >>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
> >>> > device
> >>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
> >>> > meet
> >>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
> >>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
> >>> > web connections.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what
> >>> > will
> >>> > be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely
> >>> > legal
> >>> > and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact that
> >>> > you
> >>> > know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to deal
> >>> > with
> >>> > you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market
> >>> > selling
> >>> > the wine you like,
> >>> >
> >>> > etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
> >>> > appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
> >>> > "conspicuous anonymity" will.
> >>> >
> >>> > And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to
> >>> > de-anonymize,
> >>> > but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade or
> >>> > associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do do
> >>> > that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to get a
> >>> > baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a
> >>> > HUD-like
> >>> > overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
> >>> >
> >>> > You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused (even
> >>> > obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
> >>> > preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything wrong
> >>> > with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost electricity
> >>> > for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere else.
> >>> > That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources to
> >>> > find
> >>> > the most efficient way to do their business.
> >>> >
> >>> > Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem? I'm
> >>> > on
> >>> > board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it violates
> >>> > the
> >>> > non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
> >>> > connections does not and should not offend merely because they are
> >>> > rich.
> >>> >
> >>> > -J
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
> >>> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > I think it's great that paranoid people are working on anonymous
> >>> deep
> >>> > web crypto.
> >>> >
> >>> > But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing
> >>> > broken
> >>> > (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of
> >>> > buying
> >>> > low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings of
> >>> > industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
> >>> anon-coin-mining
> >>> > data centers.
> >>> >
> >>> > What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
> >>> > device
> >>> > that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
> >>> > meet
> >>> > them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
> >>> > sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
> >>> > web connections.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
> >>> > > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous
> deep
> >>> web
> >>> > > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users
> demanding
> >>> privacy
> >>> > > and freedom from the legacy systems. There's already a new
> type
> >>> of
> >>> > > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC
> and
> >>> > > vice-versa. So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and
> also
> >>> into the
> >>> > > networks. While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on
> their
> >>> > plan to
> >>> > > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>. I've been
> >>> > involved with
> >>> > > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't have
> >>> > large masses
> >>> > > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything. If
> >>> anything
> >>> > > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
> >>> > pro-regulation
> >>> > > camps. And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once
> the
> >>> > coin is
> >>> > > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now. And
> >>> > anonymous
> >>> > plus
> >>> > > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here
> now.
> >>> > That's
> >>> > > where system-D monies will eventually start to head. Not to a
> >>> > permanently
> >>> > > public bitcoin blockchain. Also I don't feel that anything
> >>> > built
> >>> > off or
> >>> > > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real life
> >>> > or
> >>> > death
> >>> > > anonymity, but it may make users feel better. So could help
> >>> > further the
> >>> > > cryptocoin cause. Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's
> >>> > going
> >>> > to be be
> >>> > > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a day
> >>> > IMHO. While
> >>> > > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may add
> >>> > to
> >>> > these
> >>> > > discussions. Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped
> raise
> >>> > funds also.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
> >>> > <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:
> washington.sanchez@???
> >>> >>
> >>> > > wrote:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
> >>> > > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
> >>> > <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
> >>> > > > wrote:
> >>> > > >
> >>> > > >> First I was censored
> >>> > > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This is
> >>> > the worst
> >>> > > >> type of thinking we can encounter.
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the government,
> >>> > but
> >>> > you have
> >>> > > >> to be pragmatic"
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but be
> >>> > a
> >>> > villain,
> >>> > > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there needs
> >>> > to
> >>> be
> >>> > > >> regulation"
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
> >>> reason.
> >>> > > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> - Juan Llanos
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> Me response
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327
> >>> > > >>
> >>> > > >> - Julia Tourianski
> >>> > > >>
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> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> > Troy Benjegerdes 'da hozer'
> >>> > hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
> >>> > 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
> >>> > grid.coop <http://grid.coop>
> >>> >
> >>> > Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
> >>> > nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
> >>> >
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