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Autor: ben
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Para: System undo crew
Assunto: Re: [unSYSTEM] Regulation panel at inside Bitcoin
Do you know that the word 'person' means 'mask'? The 'persona' which
is the mask worn by actors in Greco-Roman drama, because it has a
megaphone-type mouth which throws the sound out in an open-air
theater. So the 'per'--through--'sona'--what the sound comes
through--that's the mask. How to be a real person. How to be a genuine
fake.

-Allan Watts

:)

2014-10-07 3:31 GMT+02.00, Josh Walker <josh@???>:
> Oops.
>
> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>
>
> In the middle of switching between domains over here. Sent from my
> 2Peer.org address by mistake, and it's stuck in the ether. Sorry
> Odin/admins. It's still me.
>
> -J
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:26 PM, Josh Walker <josh@???> wrote:
>
>> The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
>>>
>>> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The masks
>>> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but have
>>> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device for
>>> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would permit
>>> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
>>> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
>>> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
>>> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal, such
>>> as romantic encounters.
>>>
>>> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask and
>>> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory to
>>> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all citizens
>>> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the right
>>> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
>>> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret ballots in
>>> modern democracies.
>>>
>>> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
>>> >     What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>> > device
>>> >     that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>> > meet
>>> >     them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
>>> >     sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>>> >     web connections.

>>> >
>>> >
>>> > That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what
>>> > will
>>> > be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely
>>> > legal
>>> > and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact that
>>> > you
>>> > know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to deal
>>> > with
>>> > you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market
>>> > selling
>>> > the wine you like,
>>> >
>>> > etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
>>> > appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
>>> > "conspicuous anonymity" will.
>>> >
>>> > And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to
>>> > de-anonymize,
>>> > but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade or
>>> > associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do do
>>> > that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to get a
>>> > baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a
>>> > HUD-like
>>> > overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
>>> >
>>> > You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused (even
>>> > obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
>>> > preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything wrong
>>> > with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost electricity
>>> > for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere else.
>>> > That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources to
>>> > find
>>> > the most efficient way to do their business.
>>> >
>>> > Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem? I'm
>>> > on
>>> > board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it violates
>>> > the
>>> > non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
>>> > connections does not and should not offend merely because they are
>>> > rich.
>>> >
>>> > -J
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
>>> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     I think it's great that paranoid people are working on anonymous
>>> deep
>>> >     web crypto.

>>> >
>>> >     But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing
>>> > broken
>>> >     (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of
>>> > buying
>>> >     low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings of
>>> >     industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
>>> anon-coin-mining
>>> >     data centers.

>>> >
>>> >     What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass
>>> > device
>>> >     that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I
>>> > meet
>>> >     them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
>>> >     sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
>>> >     web connections.

>>> >
>>> >     On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
>>> >     > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous deep
>>> web
>>> >     > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users demanding
>>> privacy
>>> >     > and freedom from the legacy systems.  There's already a new type
>>> of
>>> >     > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC and
>>> >     > vice-versa.  So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and also
>>> into the
>>> >     > networks.  While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on their
>>> >     plan to
>>> >     > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>.  I've been
>>> >     involved with
>>> >     > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't have
>>> >     large masses
>>> >     > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything.  If
>>> anything
>>> >     > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
>>> >     pro-regulation
>>> >     > camps.  And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once the
>>> >     coin is
>>> >     > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now.  And
>>> > anonymous
>>> >     plus
>>> >     > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here now.
>>> >     That's
>>> >     > where system-D monies will eventually start to head.  Not to a
>>> >     permanently
>>> >     > public bitcoin blockchain.  Also I don't feel that anything
>>> > built
>>> >     off or
>>> >     > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real life
>>> > or
>>> >     death
>>> >     > anonymity, but it may make users feel better.  So could help
>>> >     further the
>>> >     > cryptocoin cause.  Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's
>>> > going
>>> >     to be be
>>> >     > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a day
>>> >     IMHO.  While
>>> >     > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may add
>>> > to
>>> >     these
>>> >     > discussions.  Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped raise
>>> >     funds also.
>>> >     >
>>> >     > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
>>> >     <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:washington.sanchez@gmail.com

>>> >>
>>> >     > wrote:
>>> >     >
>>> >     > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
>>> >     > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
>>> >     <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>> >     > > wrote:

>>> >     > >
>>> >     > >> First I was censored
>>> >     > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This is
>>> >     the worst
>>> >     > >> type of thinking we can encounter.

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the government,
>>> > but
>>> >     you have
>>> >     > >> to be pragmatic"

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but be
>>> > a
>>> >     villain,
>>> >     > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there needs
>>> > to
>>> be
>>> >     > >> regulation"

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
>>> reason.
>>> >     > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> - Juan Llanos

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> Me response

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327

>>> >     > >>
>>> >     > >> - Julia Tourianski

>>> >     > >>
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>>> >     > >>
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>>> >     > >>

>>> >     > >>
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>>> >     > >

>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     --

>>> >
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> >     Troy Benjegerdes                 'da hozer'
>>> >     hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
>>> >     7 elements      earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
>>> >     grid.coop <http://grid.coop>

>>> >
>>> >           Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
>>> >              nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash

>>> >
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