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Skribent: Josh Walker
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Til: System undo crew
Emne: Re: [unSYSTEM] Regulation panel at inside Bitcoin
The internet is our modern Venetian Mask.

On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:

> http://www.themascherade.com/contents/en-us/d5_Page_5.html
>
> Venetian masks are a centuries-old tradition of Venice, Italy. The masks
> are typically worn during the Carnival (Carnival of Venice), but have
> been used on many other occasions in the past, usually as a device for
> hiding the wearer's identity and social status. The mask would permit
> the wearer to act more freely in cases where he or she wanted to
> interact with other members of the society outside the bounds of
> identity and everyday convention. It was useful for a variety of
> purposes, some of them illicit or criminal, others just personal, such
> as romantic encounters.
>
> In 18th century, the Bauta had become a standardized society mask and
> disguise regulated by the Venetian government.[ It was obligatory to
> wear it at certain political decision-making events when all citizens
> were required to act anonymously as peers. Only citizens had the right
> to use the Bauta. Its role was similar to the anonymizing processes
> invented to guarantee general, direct, free, equal and secret ballots in
> modern democracies.
>
> On 10/07/2014 03:13 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
> >     What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass device
> >     that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I meet
> >     them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
> >     sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
> >     web connections.

> >
> >
> > ​That, good sir, is what I believe is the true endgame. It is what will
> > be necessary to have a species-wide "anarchy". Anonymity is purely legal
> > and optional, and you balance your desire for it with the fact that you
> > know it makes people uneasy, and uneasy people may not want to deal with
> > you. The cute girl you meet on the plane, the guy at the market selling
> > the wine you like, ​
> >
> > ​etc. The "marketplace of social behaviors" will incentivize the
> > appropriate balance. So anonymity won't go away, but perhaps
> > "conspicuous anonymity" will.
> >
> > And critically, it's all optional. No one can be forced to de-anonymize,
> > but they will, because they in turn cannot force someone to trade or
> > associate with them. Removal of consent is the only weapon, and do do
> > that effectively (it shouldn't be a three-day review process to get a
> > baker to sell you bread, after all!) requires automation and a HUD-like
> > overlay on daily life to deliver the information feed.
> >
> > You ever gonna come out with why you're so personally focused (even
> > obsessed) with HFT? When I stop and think about it, ignoring my
> > preconditioning to /dislike /the notion, I can't find anything wrong
> > with HFT anymore than I'd dislike Amazon finding low-cost electricity
> > for their datacenters, lower-cost than anyone can get anywhere else.
> > That's what the HFT guys have done. They've used their resources to find
> > the most efficient way to do their business.
> >
> > Is it not /what they do with their proceeds/ that is the problem? I'm on
> > board with that. Or their anti-competitive behavior, if it violates the
> > non-aggression obligation. But rich dudes finding low-latency
> > connections does not and should not offend merely because they are rich.
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     I think it's great that paranoid people are working on anonymous deep
> >     web crypto.

> >
> >     But my prediction is the endgame is the same as the existing broken
> >     (and deeply anonymous) chicago board of trade, and instead of buying
> >     low-latency connections for high frequency trading, the kings of
> >     industry will buy industrial coal-and nuclear powered
> anon-coin-mining
> >     data centers.

> >
> >     What I'd rather have is an open-source hardware google-glass device
> >     that lets me look at someone's personal public blockchain if I meet
> >     them on the street and decide if I want to give them food, make a
> >     sales pitch, or avoid them because they have too many dark deep
> >     web connections.

> >
> >     On Mon, Oct 06, 2014 at 02:38:11AM +0100, Matthew Holt wrote:
> >     > Unless you're deeply invested in bitcoin then new anonymous deep
> web
> >     > cryptocurrencies offer something a lot better to users demanding
> privacy
> >     > and freedom from the legacy systems.  There's already a new type of
> >     > exchange that requires no registration to trade alts for BTC and
> >     > vice-versa.  So there's a quick easy route to fiat cash and also
> into the
> >     > networks.  While look at FairCoop <https://fair.coop/> on their
> >     plan to
> >     > only trade with Faircoin <http://fair-coin.org/>.  I've been
> >     involved with
> >     > Bitcoin since the early Britcoin days of 2011 but I don't have
> >     large masses
> >     > of bitcoin stashed nor do I feel like I owe it anything.  If
> anything
> >     > Bitcoin with its public blockchain make it ideal for the
> >     pro-regulation
> >     > camps.  And TBH the bitcoin price could really take off once the
> >     coin is
> >     > fully regulated, but the cat is out of the bag now.  And anonymous
> >     plus
> >     > deep-web cryptocurrencies like Anoncoin and Monero are here now.
> >     That's
> >     > where system-D monies will eventually start to head.  Not to a
> >     permanently
> >     > public bitcoin blockchain.  Also I don't feel that anything built
> >     off or
> >     > around the CoinJoin protocol could ever really offer real life or
> >     death
> >     > anonymity, but it may make users feel better.  So could help
> >     further the
> >     > cryptocoin cause.  Like Darkcoin once it's used enough it's going
> >     to be be
> >     > playing whack-a-mole with privacy exploits for ever and a day
> >     IMHO.  While
> >     > yes these are just my opinions for whatever worth they may add to
> >     these
> >     > discussions.  Also BTW I've donated to Darkcoin and helped raise
> >     funds also.
> >     >
> >     > On 6 October 2014 01:35, Washington Sanchez
> >     <washington.sanchez@??? <mailto:washington.sanchez@gmail.com>>
> >     > wrote:

> >     >
> >     > > "Whatever dude, that's just like your opinion..."
> >     > > On 06/10/2014 7:34 AM, "Julia Tourianski"
> >     <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
> >     > > wrote:

> >     > >
> >     > >> First I was censored
> >     > >> Then it got too awkward for him, so he let me speak. This is
> >     the worst
> >     > >> type of thinking we can encounter.

> >     > >>
> >     > >> "We live in the real world, you can't change reality"

> >     > >>
> >     > >> "When I was 20 sure I thought I could fight the government, but
> >     you have
> >     > >> to be pragmatic"

> >     > >>
> >     > >> "I'm gonna quote Shakespeare, you can smile and smile but be a
> >     villain,
> >     > >> well you can whine and whine but the reality is there needs to
> be
> >     > >> regulation"

> >     > >>
> >     > >> "Regulation is inevitable, it had value, it's there for a
> reason.
> >     > >> Everything is regulated, it's valid"

> >     > >>
> >     > >> "Compliance is a necessary evil"

> >     > >>
> >     > >> - Juan Llanos

> >     > >>
> >     > >> Me response

> >     > >>
> >     > >> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=785756038149327

> >     > >>
> >     > >> - Julia Tourianski

> >     > >>
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> >     Troy Benjegerdes                 'da hozer'
> >     hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
> >     7 elements      earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
> >     grid.coop <http://grid.coop>

> >
> >           Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
> >              nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash

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