Tim:
1: "Trickle-down" has nothing to do with, in your metaphor, excess fruit
falling from the tree to be picked up by all and sundry. It's the idea
that those on the top of the existing economic heap are "job creators"
and that by subsidizing them into creating "jobs" ("indentures" is a
better word) we benefit the common human. That's a whole steaming pile
of stinky, and I won't get into it. Nice idea, not shown to work. /EVER/.
2: You say: "forced wealth-redistribution works vsery well, but it is
wrong on every level of the moral argument", and then go on to say
another thing. The first part of what you said, I assert, is
/desirable/. And I refer you to the Rothbard PDF at
http://invisiblemolotov.wordpress.com/2008/06/05/ma1-all-power-to-the-soviets/
for my justification. As to the second part of that sentence, I disagree
completely. "forced wealth-redistribution ... is wrong on every level of
the moral argument" cannot /possibly/ be true. It is the case we live in
a world where the excesses of the fathers are being extracted from the
sons, that primitive accumulation (look it up) rules the landscape and
that (at least in Europe and some parts of South America) there are
existing, current land titles that bring their elite holders millions
and billions in income per year /and have as their justification the
grants of emperors of Rome./
If our hypothetical means of wealth redistribution collide with both our
morals and our knowledge of history, one or the other must bow in the
quest for present justice. I will state here plainly my position, that
/anyone/ advancing a communal or actually-working-it claim to land or
capital should enjoy the /presumption of correctness/ in any proceeding
aimed at disposing of the wealth of tyrants, kings and congresscritters.
In fact, I'll go further: If you want a "moral argument" from me, let's
we kill all of them first, and then sort out what's left.
Peace,
Mike
On 10/06/2014 07:48 PM, Tim Patrick wrote:
> Well, capitalism has voluntary wealth-redistribution, which means you
> only give the amount of apples from your tree you see fit to give
> away, that and some apples may fall accidentally (trickle down).
> forced wealth-redistribution works very well, but it is wrong on every
> level of the moral argument. I think their should be
> wealth-redistribution on a small scale, such as 15-20% taxes property,
> sales tax, etc...
>
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Chris <aenemic@???
> <mailto:aenemic@autistici.org>> wrote:
>
> One could argue that Capitalism has a built in wealth redistribution.
> Towards the top of the pyramid.
>
> On 06.10.14 19:42, Tim Patrick wrote:
> > "Built in wealth-redistribution". HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Troy Benjegerdes
> <hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
> > <mailto:hozer@hozed.org <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>>> wrote:
> >
> > Let's give the guy some credit please, he's just following the
> > journalistic commune.
> >
> > We can't really blame him for following the herd and surfing
> > sensationalism, because after all, it pays quite well.
> >
> > Now if we could hurry up and release a currency that includes
> > built-in wealth redistribution, we might start to see some
> > journalists again. But that's on US to provide the system
> > that will provide food and shelter for real journalists.
> >
> > I'm still trying to wrap my head around how to explain why
> > the unsystem has to provide new systems, but cannot find
> > any way to avoid it when lots of people want comfort and
> > stability over autonomy.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 11:17:10AM -0500, Robert Jakob wrote:
> > > He's obviously not a real journalist. He just makes click
> bate:
> > >
> > > http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/author/jamiebartlett/
> > > http://www.theguardian.com/profile/jamiebartlett
> > >
> > > He's just riding the waves of sensationalism.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:40 AM, ben <colypse@???
> <mailto:colypse@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:colypse@gmail.com <mailto:colypse@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The establishment is scared all over the world.. Trying
> with any
> > means
> > > > possible to make other paradigms than their own sound bad.
> > > >
> > > > 2014-10-05 15:39 GMT+02.00, Amir Taaki
> <genjix@??? <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>
> > <mailto:genjix@riseup.net <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>>>:
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.amazon.com/The-Dark-Net/dp/0434023159/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412515569&sr=8-1&keywords=the+dark+net
> > > > >
> > > > > Someone showed me the chapter about my crew.
> > > > >
> > > > > The author sums up my whole political philosophy as
> "anger".
> > > > >
> > > > > Also I'm slanted as working towards a world of communes.
> > Notwithstanding
> > > > > that I don't care for what the world does as a homogenous
> > unit, here's
> > > > > Wikipedia's definition of commune:
> > > > >
> > > > > "defined communes as having the following core
> principles: the
> > > > > importance of the group as opposed to the nuclear
> family unit,
> > a "common
> > > > > purse", a collective household, group decision making in
> > general and
> > > > > intimate affairs."
> > > > >
> > > > > "Commune members have emotional bonds to the whole group
> > rather than to
> > > > > any sub-group, and the commune is experienced with
> emotions
> > which go
> > > > > beyond just social collectivity."
> > > > >
> > > > > This is collectivism and absolute shit. We try to make
> our own
> > self
> > > > > managed communities that emphasise individual autonomy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The book is the author's interpretation of my words to
> sell
> > book copies
> > > > > by serving an agenda. Liberals undoubtedly will love
> it because it
> > > > > confirms their biases.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mvh Ben Johansen
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> > hozer@??? <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>
> <mailto:hozer@hozed.org <mailto:hozer@hozed.org>>
> > 7 elements earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
> > grid.coop <http://grid.coop> <http://grid.coop>
> >
> > Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the
> barrel,
> > nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
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