yea, how exactly are high frequency trading firms funding isis?
2014-10-02 4:32 GMT+02.00, Tim Patrick <judoman589@???>:
> Hey Troy, you should fuck off right back to your farm. You seem to mistake
> this group for something it isn't. unSYSTEM is made up of international
> activists and crypto-anarchists, if you feel this is somehow not what
> unsystem is, then you should leave. actually, i'd be happy to remove you
> the list, if you want.
>
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Uwe Cerron <uwecerron@???> wrote:
>
>> how exactly are high frequency trading firms funding isis?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't mean to be too dramatic or anything, but the unsystem may
>>> be entirely unable to perform it's stated mission if the members
>>> do not un-do some bullshit arrogance and mission creep.
>>>
>>> You'll wake up to find the feminine has killed the black dog of
>>> cyberwhatever while you were thumping your chests and dancing
>>> around about how you won the latest battle with the terrible and
>>> evil state.
>>>
>>> see
>>> http://books.google.com/books?id=Gmn8AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT129&lpg=PT129&dq=changing+planes+the+black+dog&source=bl&ots=xNCjfZocad&sig=DiJInPeUhnZgYpZVbjkpYO_od3Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n2UsVPreJ42XyAT1poCYCQ&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=changing%20planes%20the%20black%20dog&f=false
>>>
>>>
>>> Go fricking schedule a damned meeting with the lady and explain
>>> how high-frequency trading is funding ISIS, and the unsystem would
>>> like to offer it's collective knowledge, experience, and energy to
>>> track down who's making anonymous trades on the commodities and
>>> stock exchanges, and buying military weapons with it.
>>>
>>> Is this not a shared goal of both the unsystem and FINCEN?
>>>
>>> And don't ever call a woman a bitch if you want me to take you
>>> seriously.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 09:04:53PM -0700, Odinn Cyberguerrilla wrote:
>>> > Folks, I don't mean to be too dramatic or anything, but it's
>>> > entirely possible that before the end of 2015, FinCen (though it
>>> > will not cease to exist) will be unable to perform its own stated
>>> > mission. Sure it's a part of the US Treasury and all that, but look
>>> > at it's long-term IT modernization efforts...
>>> > http://www.fincen.gov/about_fincen/wwd/ITModernizationEffortsFAQ.html
>>> > (It's a .gov but I'll summarize it here)
>>> > Basically they are still working out the details of e-filing for the
>>> > Bank Secrecy Act and supposedly attempting to "re-engineer the BSA
>>> > data architecture, update antiquated infrastructure required to
>>> > support data capture and dissemination, implement innovative Web
>>> > services and enhanced electronic filing, and provide enhanced
>>> > analytical tools."
>>> >
>>> > If FinCen was really modernizing, they wouldn't be just studying
>>> > ring signature or "looking into it" as the coindesk article seemed
>>> > to imply. FinCen would be USING it. Or bitcoin. Or both!
>>> >
>>> > By the time they figure out how to fix their own shit, the rest of
>>> > the world will be light years ahead of them.
>>> >
>>> > I remember clearly (and even have a little blog and printout) of
>>> > (FinCen Director) Jen Shasky-Calvery's testimony from Nov. 18, 2013
>>> > on the US Senate Hearings on Decentralized virtual currency. She
>>> > said the same thing on Nov. 19, too, basically just repeating word
>>> > for word today what she said back then....
>>> > ""We work to achieve (our) mission by implementing the Bank Secrecy
>>> > Act... Illicit actors might decide to use virtual currency... (it's)
>>> > relatively anonymous.... does not typically have transaction
>>> > limits.... may have been created to facilitate money laundering..."
>>> > "(This) is not nearly theoretical..." (References Liberty Reserve,
>>> > Silk Road)
>>> > "It is also important to put virtual currency in perspective...
>>> > Approximately 8 billion dollars in transactions (in virtual
>>> > currency) over the past year."
>>> > "It is in the best interest of virtual currency users to comply with
>>> > (our) regulations..."
>>> > (From her statements which she repeated on Nov. 18 and 19, 2013
>>> > before the Senate. Same parrot-talk)
>>> >
>>> > It's our responsibility to reach a helping hand out to those who are
>>> > trying to figure out how to live without things like FinCen invading
>>> > every square inch of their lives. Getting back to that now...
>>> >
>>> > Just as an aside though, were it not for that zombie-like image of
>>> > the FinCen Director with The Flag(!!) behind it, one could almost
>>> > see her squatting somewhere with a bunch of hungry DW developers,
>>> > lounging over a screen...
>>> > pipe dream o possible future reality? <le sigh>
>>> > Anyway...
>>> >
>>> > End the state. Autonomy is here. It's not here in the form of some
>>> > future far-off perfect software. It's right here, now, in the form
>>> > of decisions we make.
>>> >
>>> > DW, Forward!
>>> >
>>> > On 2014-09-30 20:33, Amir Taaki wrote:
>>> > >http://www.coindesk.com/fincen-director-villainize-bitcoin/
>>> > >
>>> > >"Of particular concern, Calvery said, are informal bitcoin dealers
>>> > > who
>>> > >may think they can operate outside of the agency's oversight.
>>> > >
>>> > >"I hear reports that there are folks who say that they'll wait and
>>> > > see
>>> > >if there's any enforcement behind our requirements before they take
>>> > > it
>>> > >too seriously, so that's unfortunate. I have to hear that folks want
>>> > > to
>>> > >see folks do wrong, and take action before they're willing to comply,
>>> > >but we're willing to do that if we need to," she said."
>>> > >
>>> > >so you will need ID to trade bitcoins for fiat basically.
>>> > >
>>> > >pin minded careerist trying to one up lawsky.
>>> > >
>>> > >"We don't start at a product and villainize a product, we
>>> > >villainize the
>>> > >bad actors and find out what they're doing with their money."
>>> > >
>>> > >"We ask that you think about it from an anti-money laundering (AML)
>>> > >perspective, what could you build in [to the technology]?"
>>> > >
>>> > >"Rather, Calvery said that bitcoin's status as a newcomer to the
>>> > >financial ecosystem has made it the target of bad actors."
>>> > >
>>> > >""When I looked through it [BitLicense], I saw a lot of concepts that
>>> > > I
>>> > >was already familiar with from New York and other places," Calvery
>>> > >said."
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
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>>>
>>> Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
>>> nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash
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