They *at least* indirectly fund US terrorism abroad, along with literally
all major financial buggery. HFT is one of many tricks, and we know where
the profits wind up sooner or later, either by tax or confiscation or
direct investment. Why not ISIS, too? For all I care it's the CIA. These
groups are all the same to me, regardless of acronym or if they hail from
US shores or sandy caves. I judge their actions not their origins.

If Troy had evidence and was a capable man he'd act on it, or at least
share it. He's attention whoring to divide and distract, as is his trollish
role. Look through his replies. They are *all* sarcastic pessimism
undermining whatever unSys was lauding at the time.

I'm happy to be proven wrong. Some hard evidence about this ISIS corruption
"threat" and why you've been holding out on us could start, Troy. :)

—J

On Thursday, October 2, 2014, ben <colypse@???> wrote:

> yea, how exactly are high frequency trading firms funding isis?
>
> 2014-10-02 4:32 GMT+02.00, Tim Patrick <judoman589@???
> <javascript:;>>:
> > Hey Troy, you should fuck off right back to your farm. You seem to
> mistake
> > this group for something it isn't. unSYSTEM is made up of international
> > activists and crypto-anarchists, if you feel this is somehow not what
> > unsystem is, then you should leave. actually, i'd be happy to remove you
> > the list, if you want.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:46 PM, Uwe Cerron <uwecerron@???
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> >> how exactly are high frequency trading firms funding isis?
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 4:43 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I don't mean to be too dramatic or anything, but the unsystem may
> >>> be entirely unable to perform it's stated mission if the members
> >>> do not un-do some bullshit arrogance and mission creep.
> >>>
> >>> You'll wake up to find the feminine has killed the black dog of
> >>> cyberwhatever while you were thumping your chests and dancing
> >>> around about how you won the latest battle with the terrible and
> >>> evil state.
> >>>
> >>> see
> >>>
> http://books.google.com/books?id=Gmn8AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT129&lpg=PT129&dq=changing+planes+the+black+dog&source=bl&ots=xNCjfZocad&sig=DiJInPeUhnZgYpZVbjkpYO_od3Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n2UsVPreJ42XyAT1poCYCQ&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=changing%20planes%20the%20black%20dog&f=false
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Go fricking schedule a damned meeting with the lady and explain
> >>> how high-frequency trading is funding ISIS, and the unsystem would
> >>> like to offer it's collective knowledge, experience, and energy to
> >>> track down who's making anonymous trades on the commodities and
> >>> stock exchanges, and buying military weapons with it.
> >>>
> >>> Is this not a shared goal of both the unsystem and FINCEN?
> >>>
> >>> And don't ever call a woman a bitch if you want me to take you
> >>> seriously.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 09:04:53PM -0700, Odinn Cyberguerrilla wrote:
> >>> > Folks, I don't mean to be too dramatic or anything, but it's
> >>> > entirely possible that before the end of 2015, FinCen (though it
> >>> > will not cease to exist) will be unable to perform its own stated
> >>> > mission. Sure it's a part of the US Treasury and all that, but look
> >>> > at it's long-term IT modernization efforts...
> >>> >
> http://www.fincen.gov/about_fincen/wwd/ITModernizationEffortsFAQ.html
> >>> > (It's a .gov but I'll summarize it here)
> >>> > Basically they are still working out the details of e-filing for the
> >>> > Bank Secrecy Act and supposedly attempting to "re-engineer the BSA
> >>> > data architecture, update antiquated infrastructure required to
> >>> > support data capture and dissemination, implement innovative Web
> >>> > services and enhanced electronic filing, and provide enhanced
> >>> > analytical tools."
> >>> >
> >>> > If FinCen was really modernizing, they wouldn't be just studying
> >>> > ring signature or "looking into it" as the coindesk article seemed
> >>> > to imply. FinCen would be USING it. Or bitcoin. Or both!
> >>> >
> >>> > By the time they figure out how to fix their own shit, the rest of
> >>> > the world will be light years ahead of them.
> >>> >
> >>> > I remember clearly (and even have a little blog and printout) of
> >>> > (FinCen Director) Jen Shasky-Calvery's testimony from Nov. 18, 2013
> >>> > on the US Senate Hearings on Decentralized virtual currency. She
> >>> > said the same thing on Nov. 19, too, basically just repeating word
> >>> > for word today what she said back then....
> >>> > ""We work to achieve (our) mission by implementing the Bank Secrecy
> >>> > Act... Illicit actors might decide to use virtual currency... (it's)
> >>> > relatively anonymous.... does not typically have transaction
> >>> > limits.... may have been created to facilitate money laundering..."
> >>> > "(This) is not nearly theoretical..." (References Liberty Reserve,
> >>> > Silk Road)
> >>> > "It is also important to put virtual currency in perspective...
> >>> > Approximately 8 billion dollars in transactions (in virtual
> >>> > currency) over the past year."
> >>> > "It is in the best interest of virtual currency users to comply with
> >>> > (our) regulations..."
> >>> > (From her statements which she repeated on Nov. 18 and 19, 2013
> >>> > before the Senate. Same parrot-talk)
> >>> >
> >>> > It's our responsibility to reach a helping hand out to those who are
> >>> > trying to figure out how to live without things like FinCen invading
> >>> > every square inch of their lives. Getting back to that now...
> >>> >
> >>> > Just as an aside though, were it not for that zombie-like image of
> >>> > the FinCen Director with The Flag(!!) behind it, one could almost
> >>> > see her squatting somewhere with a bunch of hungry DW developers,
> >>> > lounging over a screen...
> >>> > pipe dream o possible future reality? <le sigh>
> >>> > Anyway...
> >>> >
> >>> > End the state. Autonomy is here. It's not here in the form of some
> >>> > future far-off perfect software. It's right here, now, in the form
> >>> > of decisions we make.
> >>> >
> >>> > DW, Forward!
> >>> >
> >>> > On 2014-09-30 20:33, Amir Taaki wrote:
> >>> > >http://www.coindesk.com/fincen-director-villainize-bitcoin/
> >>> > >
> >>> > >"Of particular concern, Calvery said, are informal bitcoin dealers
> >>> > > who
> >>> > >may think they can operate outside of the agency's oversight.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >"I hear reports that there are folks who say that they'll wait and
> >>> > > see
> >>> > >if there's any enforcement behind our requirements before they take
> >>> > > it
> >>> > >too seriously, so that's unfortunate. I have to hear that folks want
> >>> > > to
> >>> > >see folks do wrong, and take action before they're willing to
> comply,
> >>> > >but we're willing to do that if we need to," she said."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >so you will need ID to trade bitcoins for fiat basically.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >pin minded careerist trying to one up lawsky.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >"We don't start at a product and villainize a product, we
> >>> > >villainize the
> >>> > >bad actors and find out what they're doing with their money."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >"We ask that you think about it from an anti-money laundering (AML)
> >>> > >perspective, what could you build in [to the technology]?"
> >>> > >
> >>> > >"Rather, Calvery said that bitcoin's status as a newcomer to the
> >>> > >financial ecosystem has made it the target of bad actors."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >""When I looked through it [BitLicense], I saw a lot of concepts
> that
> >>> > > I
> >>> > >was already familiar with from New York and other places," Calvery
> >>> > >said."
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
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> >>>
> >>>

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> >>> Troy Benjegerdes                 'da hozer'
> >>> hozer@??? <javascript:;>
> >>> 7 elements      earth::water::air::fire::mind::spirit::soul
> >>> grid.coop

> >>>

> >>>       Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
> >>>          nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash

> >>>
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