What is the mission that unSys has crept away from, exactly? This is little
more than 4chan's old /raid/ board but in mailing list form, tailored to
the demographic of cryptoanarchists. Not your personal army.
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???> wrote:
> I don't mean to be too dramatic or anything, but the unsystem may
> be entirely unable to perform it's stated mission if the members
> do not un-do some bullshit arrogance and mission creep.
>
> You'll wake up to find the feminine has killed the black dog of
> cyberwhatever while you were thumping your chests and dancing
> around about how you won the latest battle with the terrible and
> evil state.
>
> see
> http://books.google.com/books?id=Gmn8AgAAQBAJ&pg=PT129&lpg=PT129&dq=changing+planes+the+black+dog&source=bl&ots=xNCjfZocad&sig=DiJInPeUhnZgYpZVbjkpYO_od3Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=n2UsVPreJ42XyAT1poCYCQ&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=changing%20planes%20the%20black%20dog&f=false
>
>
> Go fricking schedule a damned meeting with the lady and explain
> how high-frequency trading is funding ISIS, and the unsystem would
> like to offer it's collective knowledge, experience, and energy to
> track down who's making anonymous trades on the commodities and
> stock exchanges, and buying military weapons with it.
>
> Is this not a shared goal of both the unsystem and FINCEN?
>
> And don't ever call a woman a bitch if you want me to take you
> seriously.
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 09:04:53PM -0700, Odinn Cyberguerrilla wrote:
> > Folks, I don't mean to be too dramatic or anything, but it's
> > entirely possible that before the end of 2015, FinCen (though it
> > will not cease to exist) will be unable to perform its own stated
> > mission. Sure it's a part of the US Treasury and all that, but look
> > at it's long-term IT modernization efforts...
> > http://www.fincen.gov/about_fincen/wwd/ITModernizationEffortsFAQ.html
> > (It's a .gov but I'll summarize it here)
> > Basically they are still working out the details of e-filing for the
> > Bank Secrecy Act and supposedly attempting to "re-engineer the BSA
> > data architecture, update antiquated infrastructure required to
> > support data capture and dissemination, implement innovative Web
> > services and enhanced electronic filing, and provide enhanced
> > analytical tools."
> >
> > If FinCen was really modernizing, they wouldn't be just studying
> > ring signature or "looking into it" as the coindesk article seemed
> > to imply. FinCen would be USING it. Or bitcoin. Or both!
> >
> > By the time they figure out how to fix their own shit, the rest of
> > the world will be light years ahead of them.
> >
> > I remember clearly (and even have a little blog and printout) of
> > (FinCen Director) Jen Shasky-Calvery's testimony from Nov. 18, 2013
> > on the US Senate Hearings on Decentralized virtual currency. She
> > said the same thing on Nov. 19, too, basically just repeating word
> > for word today what she said back then....
> > ""We work to achieve (our) mission by implementing the Bank Secrecy
> > Act... Illicit actors might decide to use virtual currency... (it's)
> > relatively anonymous.... does not typically have transaction
> > limits.... may have been created to facilitate money laundering..."
> > "(This) is not nearly theoretical..." (References Liberty Reserve,
> > Silk Road)
> > "It is also important to put virtual currency in perspective...
> > Approximately 8 billion dollars in transactions (in virtual
> > currency) over the past year."
> > "It is in the best interest of virtual currency users to comply with
> > (our) regulations..."
> > (From her statements which she repeated on Nov. 18 and 19, 2013
> > before the Senate. Same parrot-talk)
> >
> > It's our responsibility to reach a helping hand out to those who are
> > trying to figure out how to live without things like FinCen invading
> > every square inch of their lives. Getting back to that now...
> >
> > Just as an aside though, were it not for that zombie-like image of
> > the FinCen Director with The Flag(!!) behind it, one could almost
> > see her squatting somewhere with a bunch of hungry DW developers,
> > lounging over a screen...
> > pipe dream o possible future reality? <le sigh>
> > Anyway...
> >
> > End the state. Autonomy is here. It's not here in the form of some
> > future far-off perfect software. It's right here, now, in the form
> > of decisions we make.
> >
> > DW, Forward!
> >
> > On 2014-09-30 20:33, Amir Taaki wrote:
> > >http://www.coindesk.com/fincen-director-villainize-bitcoin/
> > >
> > >"Of particular concern, Calvery said, are informal bitcoin dealers who
> > >may think they can operate outside of the agency’s oversight.
> > >
> > >“I hear reports that there are folks who say that they’ll wait and see
> > >if there’s any enforcement behind our requirements before they take it
> > >too seriously, so that’s unfortunate. I have to hear that folks want to
> > >see folks do wrong, and take action before they’re willing to comply,
> > >but we’re willing to do that if we need to,” she said."
> > >
> > >so you will need ID to trade bitcoins for fiat basically.
> > >
> > >pin minded careerist trying to one up lawsky.
> > >
> > >“We don’t start at a product and villainize a product, we
> > >villainize the
> > >bad actors and find out what they’re doing with their money.”
> > >
> > >"We ask that you think about it from an anti-money laundering (AML)
> > >perspective, what could you build in [to the technology]?"
> > >
> > >"Rather, Calvery said that bitcoin’s status as a newcomer to the
> > >financial ecosystem has made it the target of bad actors."
> > >
> > >"“When I looked through it [BitLicense], I saw a lot of concepts that I
> > >was already familiar with from New York and other places,” Calvery
> > >said."
> > >
> > >
> > >
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