dear Bezdomny,

On 30 September 2014 06:48:56 CEST, Bezdomny <home@???> wrote:
>You're departing from the assumption that using drugs is a crime. I
>don't
>believe drug consumption should be considered an illegal activity. I
>fail
>to understand why anyone who uses drugs should be persecuted like a
>criminal. In Portugal they stopped treating PROBLEMATIC DRUG USERS (we
>don't use the word "addict") as criminals and treated it as a medical
>issue. Drug (ab)use has gone down dramatically.

You are totally right here, this is a lesson that has never been learned by prohibitionists, probably for their own convenience, since instituting a police force is easier than informing people about conscious drug use, or is easier to consider humans as animals, rather than complex people.

I dont believe we are disagreeing, neither Troy is. We are making considerations on the behaviour of "Titans" and possible strategies to build un-systems at the margins of of their fighting grounds.

I find Troy's remark very smart and provoking. But I doubt any financial institution today has interest in going against the huge trafficking going on in old-world money channels. Troy I believe your strategy is too much wishful thinking. Maybe one or two people inside those institutions are honest, but the institutional rationality only dictates to do anything possible so that things stay the same as always, be them right or wrong for society.

In order to survive they need to create the enemy, to divert attention from their wrong doings.
Once Bitcoin will not provide that attention anymore they will be busy creating a new enemy.

ciao


>On Sep 30, 2014 6:35 AM, "Troy Benjegerdes" <hozer@???> wrote:
>
>> You should be encouraging this.
>>
>> Once there's a clear legal precedent to chase illegal operations on
>> transparent public blockchains the regulators will finally be able to
>> either outlaw or prosecute illegal operations hidden by
>high-frequency
>> trading and the other 'deep finance' tricks that get played by
>banksters
>> and political cronies.
>>
>> It's the epic battle of the millenium: bureaucracy vs capital
>>
>> While the titans grind each other down, we have a chance to build
>some
>> awareness and un-systems that are un-possible to un-done.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 11:31:57PM +0200, Jaromil wrote:
>> >
>> > I for one do know that in NL there are among the first cops to be
>well
>> > active chasing Bitcoin based businesses opening on the deep web.
>they
>> > did plenty of experiments already and they often start by ordering
>stuff
>> > to see if its really drugs and weapons to be delivered.
>> >
>> > But I'm not sure this is really new.
>> >
>> > these kinds of gray or black economies have always been chased on
>all
>> > mediums. what I find interesting is the EU current debate is that
>stats
>> > are now considering criminal economies as part of the GDP of
>nations,
>> > which is a pretty realistic take on what really fuels the
>necrotization
>> > of capitalism.
>> >
>> > I'm also pretty much intrigued by the negative interest introduced
>by
>> > the ECB. Any item saying that cops are chasing drug dealers is
>somehow
>> > old news to me, blame the age.
>> >
>> > ciao
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, 29 Sep 2014, Thomas Hartman wrote:
>> >
>> > > Scary. Sounds plausible.
>> > >
>> > > Sounds like registration of public keys, coinvalidation style, is
>in
>> > > the works in europe in the next five years.
>> > >
>> > > The squeeze is on.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:26 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
>> wrote:
>> > > >
>>
>http://www.coinssource.com/europes-secret-plan-take-down-the-deep-web-targets-bitcoin/
>> > > >
>> > > > I have reason to believe this is actually true.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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