Haha troy i like your writing style

On Monday, 29 September 2014, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???> wrote:
> If you are all really serious about anonymity, and not actually employed
by
> intelligence agencies, then there needs to be a lot more political
activism
> and **people running for office**.
>
>
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/u-s-military-probing-digital-currencies-terror-fight-n212371
>
> Focusing on the cryptography is like studying the cracks in the pavement
> and you end up as a bug on the windshield of an oil tanker convoy.
>
> Get in front of the political discussion, or get out of the kitchen, or
> you are going to be part of the stew.
>
> I'll be happy to help the intelligence agencies track down 'anonymous'
> currencies, and charge them a lot of money so I can afford to buy myself
> a nice congressional seat, and then actually do something about it.
>
> The biggest provably anonymous currency system is high-frequency trading,
> and you might accomplish more by emulating that instead of anonymous code
> from anonymous developers that's not very anonymous.
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 08:51:03AM +0200, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
>> As I understand it, the Ring Signature stuff is really boring
cryptography
>> at this point, everybody understands everything there is to know about
it,
>> no surprises to come up.
>> RSA Accumulators are really interesting new ground in the cryptography
field,
>> we should support this work, but we should also recognize that we might
make
>> a new discovery which is in the form of "oh that doesn't actually work".
>>
>>
>> On 09/29/2014 07:13 AM, Matthew Holt wrote:
>> > I'm not a member of the Anoncoin team I am just interested in the basic
>> > cryptology of anonymous transaction techniques. Of which
ring-signatures
>> > looks the strongest of what's publically available today. While it
looks
>> > like in theory that Zerocoin offers stronger anonymity in general
effect.
>> > I am also not a number theorist but the Anoncoin devs claim to have
>> > improved on Sanders RSA UFO technique to better suit their Zerocoin
>> > implementation (reference)
>> > <
https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO#Anoncoin.27s_improvements_on_the_Sander_RSA_UFO_concept
>.
>> >
>> >
>> > MH
>> >
>> > On 29 September 2014 04:59, Odinn Cyberguerrilla <
>> > odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:
>> >
>> >> While I consider this good news (and I've experimented with Anoncoin
in
>> >> its early stages), I do have some questions - I hope they'll be
understood
>> >> purely as constructive questions intended to improve any processes
which
>> >> you are undertaking.
>> >>
>> >> 1) As I have long been aware of, there have been differences between
>> >> original zerocoin developers and the anoncoin team relating to how
zero
>> >> could or should be implemented within Anoncoin. In particular, the
>> >> following public thread (highlighted at a particular point in the
>> >> discussion) was helpful in understanding these differences:
>> >> https://twitter.com/secparam/status/449619152685522944
>> >>
>> >> Please note that I have cc'd secparam's public e-mail address as
shown on
>> >> github here so hopefully there will be a response.
>> >>
>> >> When last I checked, I didn't see a clear resolution to this issue.
Not
>> >> that there isn't one, it seemed that there was. But it was obvious to
me,
>> >> that @secparam had identified clear problems that would need to be
>> >> addressed, and the development that the Anoncoin team had done since
March
>> >> of 2014 to the present, didn't seem to address those core issues that
>> >> secparam had brought up.
>> >>
>> >> 2) Why not wait until November (or more likely, December) 2014, which
is
>> >> when zerocash supposedly will be released, then you have some options
to
>> >> compare?
>> >>
>> >> 3) I suggest avoiding use of wild statements. I acknowledge that I
use
>> >> them from time to time... my latest was to post onto a Bitcoin Core
release
>> >> thread, that the words, 'Bitcoin Core Release' could be turned into a
>> >> two-word anagram: 'Deliberate Coercions.'
>> >> However, that was all in fun, and that said, I just wish to avoid the
use
>> >> of wild statements generally. What I refer to here is that statement
in
>> >> which someone in Anoncoin said, and I quote in part,
>> >>
>> >> "Even more anonymous than the Ring-signature"
>> >>
>> >> I could say all kind of things about that statement. But it does seem
>> >> like a wild statement to make a claim that something you are testing
is
>> >> "even more anonymous than" anything. State what it does and how it
does
>> >> it. Invite people to test it and accept criticism. A serious issue
with
>> >> Foundation-oriented work is that it can easily cultivate a
walled-garden
>> >> sort of thinking where very little if any criticism is allowed. Thus
>> >> begins downfall. Thus begins problems.
>> >>
>> >> Again, I hope only for the best in development of Anoncoin and would
like
>> >> to see things succeed, but I am concerned that the technical issues
are not
>> >> yet addressed and hope that there is some more productive
collaboration
>> >> between authors of different projects in the near future.
>> >>
>> >> Other general thoughts:
>> >>
>> >> https://github.com/Gnos1s/ufo_server - details on this should be more
>> >> front and center on pages such as Anoncoin's primary page
>> >> https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin - make it easier to find. Link
to
>> >> this is buried on waaaaaaaaaay low right hand of Anoncoin's primary
page
>> >> under Downloads at https://anoncoin.net/index.php/downloads -- the
>> >> github just needs to be a lot easier to find.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -Odinn
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 2014-09-28 07:54, Matthew Holt wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Anoncoin <https://anoncoin.net> will soon be implementing the
Zerocoin
>> >>> <https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin> protocol. Which has long been
>> >>> considered the true holy grail of cryptocoin transaction anonymity
IMHO.
>> >>> Even more anonymous than the Ring-signature
>> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_signature> technique of the
>> >>> Cryptonote
>> >>> protocol coins like Monero. The Anoncoin devs aim to have it on
their
>> >>> test-net by October the 15th
>> >>> <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg8997381#msg8997381
>
>> >>> and
>> >>> their main-net by November the 1st. They hope to manage to implement
>> >>> Zerocoin in a trustless manner using an RSA UFO's
>> >>> <https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO> technique.
>> >>>
>> >>> In the future though with Bitcoin side-chains it may be possible to
have a
>> >>> Bitcoin Zerocoin side-chain to move bitcoin in and out of in a
trustless
>> >>> p2p manner. Although it currently looks like we're still way off
Bitcoin
>> >>> side-chains yet. So even further for a Bitcoin Zerocoin side-chain.
>> >>> Although Anoncoin are still on target for putting Zerocoin on their
>> >>> main-net by November the 1st.
>> >>>
>> >>> MH
>> >>>
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