I'm not a member of the Anoncoin team I am just interested in the basic
cryptology of anonymous transaction techniques. Of which ring-signatures
looks the strongest of what's publically available today. While it looks
like in theory that Zerocoin offers stronger anonymity in general effect.
I am also not a number theorist but the Anoncoin devs claim to have
improved on Sanders RSA UFO technique to better suit their Zerocoin
implementation (reference)
<https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO#Anoncoin.27s_improvements_on_the_Sander_RSA_UFO_concept>.


MH

On 29 September 2014 04:59, Odinn Cyberguerrilla <
odinn.cyberguerrilla@???> wrote:

> While I consider this good news (and I've experimented with Anoncoin in
> its early stages), I do have some questions - I hope they'll be understood
> purely as constructive questions intended to improve any processes which
> you are undertaking.
>
> 1) As I have long been aware of, there have been differences between
> original zerocoin developers and the anoncoin team relating to how zero
> could or should be implemented within Anoncoin. In particular, the
> following public thread (highlighted at a particular point in the
> discussion) was helpful in understanding these differences:
> https://twitter.com/secparam/status/449619152685522944
>
> Please note that I have cc'd secparam's public e-mail address as shown on
> github here so hopefully there will be a response.
>
> When last I checked, I didn't see a clear resolution to this issue. Not
> that there isn't one, it seemed that there was. But it was obvious to me,
> that @secparam had identified clear problems that would need to be
> addressed, and the development that the Anoncoin team had done since March
> of 2014 to the present, didn't seem to address those core issues that
> secparam had brought up.
>
> 2) Why not wait until November (or more likely, December) 2014, which is
> when zerocash supposedly will be released, then you have some options to
> compare?
>
> 3) I suggest avoiding use of wild statements. I acknowledge that I use
> them from time to time... my latest was to post onto a Bitcoin Core release
> thread, that the words, 'Bitcoin Core Release' could be turned into a
> two-word anagram: 'Deliberate Coercions.'
> However, that was all in fun, and that said, I just wish to avoid the use
> of wild statements generally. What I refer to here is that statement in
> which someone in Anoncoin said, and I quote in part,
>
> "Even more anonymous than the Ring-signature"
>
> I could say all kind of things about that statement. But it does seem
> like a wild statement to make a claim that something you are testing is
> "even more anonymous than" anything. State what it does and how it does
> it. Invite people to test it and accept criticism. A serious issue with
> Foundation-oriented work is that it can easily cultivate a walled-garden
> sort of thinking where very little if any criticism is allowed. Thus
> begins downfall. Thus begins problems.
>
> Again, I hope only for the best in development of Anoncoin and would like
> to see things succeed, but I am concerned that the technical issues are not
> yet addressed and hope that there is some more productive collaboration
> between authors of different projects in the near future.
>
> Other general thoughts:
>
> https://github.com/Gnos1s/ufo_server - details on this should be more
> front and center on pages such as Anoncoin's primary page
> https://github.com/Anoncoin/anoncoin - make it easier to find. Link to
> this is buried on waaaaaaaaaay low right hand of Anoncoin's primary page
> under Downloads at https://anoncoin.net/index.php/downloads -- the
> github just needs to be a lot easier to find.
>
>
> -Odinn
>
>
>
>
> On 2014-09-28 07:54, Matthew Holt wrote:
>
>> Anoncoin <https://anoncoin.net> will soon be implementing the Zerocoin
>> <https://wiki.anoncoin.net/Zerocoin> protocol. Which has long been
>> considered the true holy grail of cryptocoin transaction anonymity IMHO.
>> Even more anonymous than the Ring-signature
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_signature> technique of the
>> Cryptonote
>> protocol coins like Monero. The Anoncoin devs aim to have it on their
>> test-net by October the 15th
>> <https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227287.msg8997381#msg8997381>
>> and
>> their main-net by November the 1st. They hope to manage to implement
>> Zerocoin in a trustless manner using an RSA UFO's
>> <https://wiki.anoncoin.net/RSA_UFO> technique.
>>
>> In the future though with Bitcoin side-chains it may be possible to have a
>> Bitcoin Zerocoin side-chain to move bitcoin in and out of in a trustless
>> p2p manner. Although it currently looks like we're still way off Bitcoin
>> side-chains yet. So even further for a Bitcoin Zerocoin side-chain.
>> Although Anoncoin are still on target for putting Zerocoin on their
>> main-net by November the 1st.
>>
>> MH
>>
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