I live in Quito too. How many of us are there? We should meet.



--
Paul Buitink
paulbuitink@???





On Sun, Aug 31, 2014, at 09:30 PM, Josh Walker wrote:

Fair enough. And I completely agree with you btw. It was a
simplification for a point. In REAL life, you always have other
options, like leaving the room.



I want no fighting. If there are two fighters who I cannot
persuade to stop, absent any other factors, I will let them
fight. I will not fight to stop them — that is the opposite of
progress, for now there are three fighters!



This is, I think, in line with what you mean. For example, the
US often uses two fighting factions to justify inserting
itself… and becoming a third fighter. I take issue with this.



I think we agree.



—J

On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <[1]cuco.saa@???>
wrote:

Sorry if I came through as having a fighting attitude...
English is not my native language, so my choice of words might
not be the most appropriate sometimes.

However, I still hold that goading people to fight each other
is just wrong. It is a concept used by many citizens of
imperialist countries to, in their minds, morally justify their
government's disregard of foreign national sovereignty.



On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:43 PM, Josh Walker
<josh@???> wrote:

Jesus Christ, man, it's a thought experiment and as
such simplified problem with constraints that don't apply to
the real world. Why couldn't I leave the room? Etc. It is a
bloody thought experiment.



Ironic that you seem ready to fight over whose a greater
pacifist. Your attitude on this disgusts me. This is the last
I'll reply to you on this subject.



Please consider whether your use of declaratives is logical, as
well as the unconditionals. I hope you will have done so, next
time we speak. Which could be soon; I don't hold grudges or
remember names often.



Peace.



On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <cuco.saa@???>
wrote:

An even more preferable use of resources would be helping make
peace. Goading others into fighting each other is fucked up,
and will blow on your own face when those people realize what
you are doing.



On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Josh Walker
<josh@???> wrote:

Naturally.



Let's say there are two fighters in a room, plus me. They
refuse to just crack a beer and relax, but rather insist
on fighting.



Although I would be justified to defend myself if pressed,
it is a preferable use of resources (time and energy) to goad
them into fighting each other.



That's all I mean.




On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <cuco.saa@???>
wrote:

I'm not sure that any kind of fighting is a good thing for
freedom. To a certain extent, all governments fight other
governments and also fight any dissenters amongst their own
population. You are right in that Correa's government is no
exception, though.
So he's the same as all governments. But anytime they're
fighting each other instead of the people, that's a good
thing for freedom, at least in the moment.

On Sunday, August 31, 2014, Diego Saa <cuco.saa@???>
wrote:

Correa is cool in that his policies contribute in moving
away from the centralization of power of the American
Empire. However, he is not cool in that he has a tendency to
centralize all the state powers in himself, undermining all
freedoms and increasing the size of the state.

I feel a lot free-er in Ecuador than I did in the States,
though (I just returned to Ecuador from living in Florida
for over 5 years).

On Aug 31, 2014 1:24 PM, "Özer Tayiz" <otayiz@???> wrote:

I'm living in Quito, Ecuador too. I have mixed feelings about
Correa. I don't feel good about him creating his own fiat 2.0
currency, while banning bitcoin and other digital currencies.
And some of his political decisions. This may be a reason for
me to leave Ecuador.





On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Metatron YHVH
<metatrongone@???> wrote:

Can you really use Assange to validate this man's
character/motives?




On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 8:06 PM, Nicolás Mendoza
<nicolasmendo@???> wrote:

On the other hand, if it weren't for Correa's BALLS, Julian
Assange would probably be naked, cold and wet in some dark pit
in a US military base awaiting trial. No one else in the world
would take the heat for JA like Correa did.



On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
wrote:

Thank you. Good to know.



On 08/31/2014 12:04 AM, Marco wrote:

> Don't be fooled. Correa is a devil in disguise. I Live in
Ecuador, have

> for over 5 years & this guy is Obama # 2. Wolf in sheep's
clothing.

> American trained economy from some ivy league school. Sells
of all the

> jungle here to chinese interests. Shuts down local grassroots
activism

> via swat teams. Some years ago he had banned GMO & put it in
the

> constitution, now 2 years later, he is desperately trying to
reverse

> course & promote GMOs in the country. Pretends he is against
US

> "imperialism" but it is clear they both answer to the SAME
MASTERS. It's

> just a show, like those incredible speeches Obama gave in
2006-7. This

> "electronic currency" is just fiat 2.0, a central bank
response to

> decentralized crypto currency which he has recently BANNED. I
had to

> turn off my GPU mining because I don't want to jeopardize my
freedom.

> Ecuadorian jails aren't pretty.

> Look to Putin or Morales if there is to be any hope in a
politician.

> Correa is a filthy pig, through & through.

>

> [2]www.nondescrypt.net <[3]http://www.nondescrypt.net> -
Episode 2

> -Understanding Bitcoin for my take on it.

>

> :)

>

>

> On 30 August 2014 12:06, Amir Taaki <genjix@???

> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>
>
[4]http://phys.org/news/2014-08-ecuador-heralds-digital-currenc
y.html
>

>     Guys, I actually think this is pretty interesting. Rafael

Correa has an

>     economics background and an interesting personal history:

>

>     [5]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafael_Correa#Early_life

>

>     He's an advocate of economic sovereignty.

>

>     Although I have mixed feelings about this which can be

interpreted in

>     multiple ways.

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