Hitler was a good guy, and we're all bad guys too :) If you listen to
his speeches, so much charisma, talking from the heart.
We should never hand wave fascists as "that crowd" but try to understand
the logic so we can truly undermine it.
It's not so shallow as you think, and more pervasive than we realise.

Would you go to a Bilderburg meeting to advocate? It can be argued both
ways. In the end you manage to convince yourself of becoming a
Bilderburger consorting with aristocrats.

Peter Thiel seems like the guy doing one thing with the left hand, and
another with the right.
I will be sure to ask him about his reasoning simply to understand when
I meet him.

How about all the people here that participated in the Bitcoin
Foundation conference? It's really not so different when you compare...
Cody said he'd love to go, and many of our friends attended.

Are you undermining a system of control, or are you justifying your
participation? The lines aren't so clear sometimes, and the road paved
good intentions.

On 05/31/2014 02:24 PM, Kristov Atlas wrote:
> On 05/31/2014 02:08 AM, Josh Walker wrote:
>> THIS. Exactly this. The thing we must not forget, is that in all
>> likelihood Hitler himself awoke believing he was doing good. The
>> capability for self-deception is a defining characteristic of our
>> sentience. It's scary, and we should never stop worrying that we could
>> become equally misguided.
>>
>> For this reason, I am very nervous around anyone who appoints
>> themselves judge and jury, declaring things black and white, with an
>> "I would never…". No offense intended, Kristoff: We've hung out, and I
>> like you very much. I just urge you to be careful, because as soon as
>> we assume to be the side of universal good, and stop seeking to
>> understand how others have arrived at their positions, we are just as
>> close and just as likely the bad guy as they are.
>
> I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, again.
>
> But no, there is no scenario in which my understanding of ethics and
> myself leads me to become like Hitler. There is no mystery about what
> Hitler led to his behavior -- childhood trauma leading to psychopathic
> behavior, and an utter lack of principles. Objective ethics (when
> correct and applied universally) do not lead you toward evil, but
> liberate you from it. It's understandably scary since ethics were
> invented for the purpose of and used for manipulation for vast swaths of
> human history, but the study has been remarkably refined by the exertion
> of *actual* philosophy in the last few decades. This study is not
> complete, but the principles are sound, just as we currently have a
> sound approach to building bridges that don't collapse.
>
> As modern abolitionists, I encourage allies to wield principled
> morality. Arguing about how the cotton will picked in the future is dumb.
>
> -Kristov
>
>
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