https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_and_Revolution

"(i) The anarchists propose the State’s immediate abolishment; Lenin
counter-proposes that such idealism is pragmatically impossible, because
the proletariat would need to crush the bourgeois resistance through a
mechanism, and that is the state."

"Lenin declared that the task of the Revolution was to smash the State."

surely you'd welcome threats to your power as successful things that
prove you wrong?

lenin does have a point here:

"During the lifetime of great revolutionaries, the oppressing classes
constantly hounded them, received their theories with the most savage
malice, the most furious hatred, and the most unscrupulous campaigns of
lies and slander. After their deaths, attempts are made to convert them
into harmless icons, to canonize them, so to say, and to hallow their
names, to a certain extent, for the ‘consolation’ of the oppressed
classes, and with the object of duping the latter, while, at the same
time, robbing the revolutionary theory of its substance, blunting its
revolutionary edge, and vulgarizing it.

Today, the bourgeoisie and the opportunists within the labour movement
concur in this doctoring of Marxism. They omit, obscure, or distort the
revolutionary side of this theory, its revolutionary soul. They push to
the foreground and extol what is, or seems, acceptable to the
bourgeoisie. All the social-chauvinists are now ‘Marxists’ (don’t
laugh!). And more and more frequently, German bourgeois scholars, only
yesterday specialists in the annihilation of Marxism, are speaking of
the ‘national-German’ Marx, who, they claim, educated the labour unions,
which are so splendidly organised for the purpose of waging a predatory
war!"

I see this in bitcoin a lot with the attempts of suppressing social
dissent so it can be palatable for the masses.
this process of absorbing and blunting the threat.
we can't tolerate values that are radical, we need a united front, an
image of normality. and so, society progresses nowhere...
but all throughout history there were those who would rather have stayed
home but were dragged kicking and screaming into the future.
the world is changed. adapt.

On 05/26/2014 06:40 AM, Amir Taaki wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withering_away_of_the_state
>
> derp so in a world of constant flux, natural disasters, diverging views,
> cultures, and technological evolution there will be a perfect global
> communist utopia where everything is equal, balanced and harmonious.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_and_Revolution
>
> "Lenin's direct and simple definition of the State is that "the State is
> a special organisation of force: it is an organisation of violence for
> the suppression of some class." [3] Hence his denigration even of
> parliamentary democracy, which was influenced by what Lenin saw as the
> recent increase of bureaucratic and military influences"
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno#White_and_Red_Army_attacks
>
> "Moscow justified its hostility to Makhno and the anarchists by claiming
> that: [half-truths and various lies]"
>
> "Lenin's orders were to arrest all members of Makhno's organization and
> to try them as common criminals. On November 26, 1920, less than two
> weeks after assisting Red Army forces to defeat Wrangel, Makhno's
> headquarters staff and many of his subordinate commanders were arrested
> at a Red Army planning conference to which they had been invited by
> Moscow, and executed."
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Territory#Defeat
>
> "But the Bolsheviks increasingly saw the Makhnovists as a threat to
> their power, both as an example and as a site of anarchist influence..."
>
> lenin: "my ideology is right, doesn't matter if yours is successful,
> mine is the right path to socialism"
>
> Nestor:
> "According to Paul Avrich, Makhno was a thoroughgoing anarchist and
> down-to-earth peasant. He rejected metaphysical systems and abstract
> social theorizing."
> fights germans, ukraine army, white army, red army and warlords at the
> same time.
>
> hey this guy is a hero of mine:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcFa_YhJPxE
>
>
>
>
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