So very true


On 22 May 2014, at 17:42, Aimee Maree <aimee@???> wrote:

I don't believe in the foundation as anything more then a group of regulators who are simply making money they do less then other OSS foundations but they have more money at the last count they were bragging about 4million in bitcoin assests and it costs them $150000 per month in operating fees?

How does it cost that much how much are they paying themselves?

They have said they want to do more for the community by saying they want to promote and help bitcoin in south east Asia and India why because they think there's more people there to make more money from?

It really is an odd set-up and I do not see them as anything but fat cats I have listened to their talks I have read there blogs and it makes me sick sorry but it does.

> On May 22, 2014 9:28 AM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>
> To be clear, I've never been invited to Foundation sponsored events. I'd attend and speak, so maybe that's why.
>
>
>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Jaromil <jaromil@???> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 May 2014, Joerg Platzer wrote:
>>>
>>> And you do complain about the list of speakers at their conference.
>>> Yet you would not speak there I guess. Neither would Cody or
>>> Antonopolous and I have to admit that I have to count myself in there,
>>> having turned down their offer to a seat on a panel there for the same
>>> reason.
>>
>> I would blame Amir only if he'd be ranting while doing nothing for the
>> community, but he is well active on other fronts. so I'm fine with his
>> strong opinion and boycotting attitude even if I don't agree with all of
>> it. I just don't think is inconsistent. OTOH we could consider the
>> "sacrifice" of a presence in that place a service to the community if
>> done to vehicule the original values behind Bitcoin within the
>> institutionalization process of the foundation.
>>
>>> It only occured to me later that if alone the people named (Jaromil
>>> were you there?)
>>
>> Despite living close by I was not invited at all. I have no idea who are
>> the local organizers really. I found the program overly boring and
>> predictable to be honest and due to other work I could be there only a
>> day before to meet some people off-stage. Had quite some beerz with
>> Jorge and Sipa the whole evening, was very nice :^)
>>
>> I hear from others who where there that wasn't that interesting.
>>
>>
>>> would have been on there and shown where Bitcoin is coming from and
>>> where and why we think the journey should go further, this might not
>>> have been such a bad idea.
>>
>> sure. but well on the wave of my long-term outspoken activity in the
>> hacker scene I really don't want to become an hyper-famous talking head
>> of sorts. I think I'm appearing around enough already (and have some
>> code to write eheh). The best I could do is put some history on paper
>> with an academic article, I guess that's enough for one.
>>
>> In unsystem for instance there are already a lot more people able to
>> bring that spirit up in view of the audience and remind it to
>> institutional foundation of sorts. As the multitude aspect of Bitcoin
>> was a success for the project in its early stages, it is now the best
>> strategy to honor and represent the multiplicity of voices, avoid
>> mediatic hegemonization and show the diversity and enthusiasm of the
>> communities at large.
>>
>> Personally I'd like to see more visibility for CIC and similar
>> initiatives starting all over Europe.
>>
>>
>>> Another fact: there are still a lot of people in the foundation who
>>> would love to see speakers like us on their conference and who would
>>> still love to see foundation money being spent on prjects aiming at
>>> enabling people to take the control over their own business back into
>>> their own hands instead of controlling them.
>>
>>> Maybe we should not let these forces down but strengthen them instead
>>> (and I was really startled when someone the other day actually said to
>>> me "man, you let us down").
>>
>> well... another foundation member here is planning to leave it next
>> year... I think you really need to think this well through. If you guys
>> leave then please make it in a loud and coordinated way, don't disappear
>> without making your point and use that energy to create something else
>> or to reinforce this very initiative. And consider that as a visible
>> crack is opening across the community, no more people from this side
>> will be able to enter in the future, the foundation will just become
>> more closed and biased.
>>
>> at last, about Amir's feelings on Gavin: I think he is right on many
>> points and I do know that also in the core team there is some common
>> sense in thinking that there should be a new maintainer now. Maybe that
>> will change something? Not Sure. But without an attempt to keep the
>> foundation focused on the ethics of Bitcoin for sure we won't have
>> someone like Amir in that position next; to the contrary, maybe there
>> will be somoene worst than Gavin.
>>
>> ciao
>> _______________________________________________
>> unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net
>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
>
> Cody R. Wilson
> codywilson@???
>
> The University of Texas School of Law
> Class of 2014
_______________________________________________
unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net
https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem