Doesn't any good or service that has a price, favour rich people?
Diego Saa
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:30 AM, Sidney Zhang <sidazhang89@???> wrote:
> It will favour rich people. But I guess that is not the point.
>
> The point is it makes it very expensive the farm identity therefore
> strengthens reputation system / web of trust etc
>
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???>wrote:
>
>> How does proof of burn not favor those with lots of economic capital?
>> Rich people get lots of identities, poor people get one?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Washington Sanchez <
>> washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Essentially what is being discussed at
>>> https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar/issues/9 is combining a proof
>>> of burn identity combined with a bitcoin-OTC style web of trust. Really
>>> great conversation happening there by the way.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Andrew Miller <amiller@???>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Its easy to tarnish someone's reputation by posting publicly about
>>>> them, even if its false. Its hard for anyone to tell whether the
>>>> aggreivances are legitimate. For example someone popular can harm someone,
>>>> that person can post about it, and everyone will side with the popular
>>>> person. Also there is no real incentive to post accurate reputation
>>>> information, at best doing so is an altruistic thing.
>>>>
>>>> I think there are solutions to this but it is a bit complicated.
>>>> Essentially a reputation should always involve something "at stake". The
>>>> closest thing to what I have in mind is a system called TrustDavis, and it
>>>> is essentially peer to peer insurance.
>>>> On May 19, 2014 4:12 PM, "Sidney Zhang" <sidazhang89@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 'I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you elaborate a bit more? Is the reputation kept on chain?
>>>>>
>>>>> 'I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without costing
>>>>> the
>>>>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).'
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone does something bad, can't we just have everyone start
>>>>> ignoring their fidelity bond? Forcing them to repay another bond under a
>>>>> different identity?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without costing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/20/2014 12:56 AM, Sidney Zhang wrote:
>>>>>> > It means that it is extremely expensive to mine identity. So a
>>>>>> better
>>>>>> > reputation system can now be built as well.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Are there any good examples of implementations?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>>>> > <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Doesn't make them trustworthy. It shows they value that
>>>>>> identity and
>>>>>> > would be hesitant to do anything to ruin it thereby rendering
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> > financial sacrifice meaningless
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 19 May 2014, at 20:19, "Anthony D'Onofrio" <
>>>>>> iamtexture@???
>>>>>> > <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> How does lighting money on fire make someone trustworthy?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Peter Todd <
>>>>>> pete@???
>>>>>> >> <mailto:pete@petertodd.org>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On 19 May 2014 16:39:06 CEST, Robert Williamson
>>>>>> > <bobalot@??? <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>Doesn't op return outputs need to have a value of 0?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > No, they can be any value.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>There's other concerns too. If we count someone as
>>>>>> > trustworthy because
>>>>>> >>they
>>>>>> >>have sacrificed some amount of money to fees, its easy for
>>>>>> > mining pools
>>>>>> >>to
>>>>>> >>start creating identities where a lot of fees are sacrificed to
>>>>>> >>themselves.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > That's what I mean by fee sacrifices encouraging mining pool
>>>>>> > centralisation. Right now I think that should rule out
>>>>>> > sacrifice to fees completely.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >>
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