>     a similar lawsuit has been started by spanish transport business
>     companies cluster (FENE) (in march) at all posible courts recently
>     against a thriving website for travel-sharing around europe, but
>     specially for travel-sharing around spain. there are older ones in
>     europe but not that much growing nowadays i'm quite sure..

>     a video from one of the founders, where they say they (blablacar.es
>     <http://blablacar.es>) are p2p website-platform....
>     http://allthingsd.com/video?s=blablacar

>     their non-free software is based in gmaps travel expenses calculator
>     API, which could be the criminilaty here....

>     btw, blablacar they are implementing an optional (still...) system
>     where you put money into your blabla account via bank, pay to
>     blablacar mediating for booking x travel, and blabla notifies the
>     driver you have paid. when you go to travel you confirm the driver
>     brought you at destination and they pay him what you gave, (after
>     getting a small "tax" for blabla i guess, but i am not actually sure
>     how much, i never did).

>     bitcoin and blabla escrows? for this bookings operating makes sense.

>     blablacar is growing very much and making further communiting around
>     the factual sharing culture it helps creating, such as presential
>     meetings and tools for drivers sharing their cars between them are
>     too hard to achieve now because we have a centralized selfcentered
>     company at the top of and in the middle of it.

>     getting into more polemics for such new safer scenarios to be built,
>     my bet is for travel sharing that drivers say: 'i have to go there
>     alone or with people yes or yes, please dear user: pay your 20% of
>     the petrol and invite me to one in the way', the slogan of our app
>     could then be "We have the best drivers in" :), it looks a very
>     cheap project to achieve for much quick good it could bring.. i'm up
>     for it...

>     perhaps a feature reducing a 30% of what gmaps says it cost is
>     safer... i don't know how it calculates the travel cost in kuwait
>     though..

>     El 2014-05-20 01:32, Jonathan Vaage escribió:

>         Perhaps drivers may be more willing to accept the risk of a sting if
>         they had the opportunity to purchase a form of insurance policy that
>         covered a portion of the fines / penalties in the potentially rare
>         case of a bust. Proof-of-burn pseudonyms, customer ratings, or a
>         web-of-trust could reduce the risk of fraud and potentially the
>         premiums for policy holders.

>         On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Mats-Erik Pistol
>         <meapistol@???> wrote:

>             For me it looks like an uber-like app but without a central
>             company
>             would be an instant hit. 
>             Payment of the rides in cash to avoid payment tracing. A
>             reputation
>             system or web of trust to more or less whitelist customers
>             to make
>             sting operations expensive as mentioned by Ranvier.
>             One could also envision transports being arranged this way.

>             On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:52 PM, Justus Ranvier
>             <justusranvier@???> wrote:

>                 On 05/08/2014 06:38 PM, Kristov Atlas wrote:

>                     We can make this system shutdown-proof by
>                     blockchaining it, but

>                 of

>                     course criminals can still attack people in
>                     meatspace. Similar

>                 challenge

>                     with LocalBitcoins/Soft ATM approach for exchanging

>                 crypto-currencies

>                     for cash. :-(

>                     Any ideas on how to deal with this weakness?

>                 They can't outlaw people who own cars from giving rides
>                 to other
>                 people,
>                 they can just outlaw (regulate) the act of doing it for
>                 payment.

>                 First thing to do is make it difficult for an uninvolved
>                 third
>                 party to
>                 prove the any payment has occurred. That's fairly easy
>                 to do with
>                 you're
>                 talking about decentralized digital currencies.

>                 The second thing to do reduce the risk of a sting
>                 operation. This
>                 is
>                 basically the same problem that prostitutes run into and
>                 one of
>                 the ways
>                 that industry solves it is by rating customers.

>                 Driver who are willing to take on the risk of an unrated
>                 customer
>                 would
>                 charge more and drivers who don't want the risk would charge
>                 less.

>                 Perhaps some kind of web-of-trust could be used here, and
>                 actually such
>                 a system would have many applications in the informal
>                 economy
>                 generally.

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