It will favour rich people. But I guess that is not the point.
The point is it makes it very expensive the farm identity therefore
strengthens reputation system / web of trust etc
On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 10:59 PM, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???>wrote:
> How does proof of burn not favor those with lots of economic capital?
> Rich people get lots of identities, poor people get one?
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 5:30 PM, Washington Sanchez <
> washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>
>> Essentially what is being discussed at
>> https://github.com/OpenBazaar/OpenBazaar/issues/9 is combining a proof
>> of burn identity combined with a bitcoin-OTC style web of trust. Really
>> great conversation happening there by the way.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Andrew Miller <amiller@???>wrote:
>>
>>> Its easy to tarnish someone's reputation by posting publicly about them,
>>> even if its false. Its hard for anyone to tell whether the aggreivances are
>>> legitimate. For example someone popular can harm someone, that person can
>>> post about it, and everyone will side with the popular person. Also there
>>> is no real incentive to post accurate reputation information, at best doing
>>> so is an altruistic thing.
>>>
>>> I think there are solutions to this but it is a bit complicated.
>>> Essentially a reputation should always involve something "at stake". The
>>> closest thing to what I have in mind is a system called TrustDavis, and it
>>> is essentially peer to peer insurance.
>>> On May 19, 2014 4:12 PM, "Sidney Zhang" <sidazhang89@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 'I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.'
>>>>
>>>> Can you elaborate a bit more? Is the reputation kept on chain?
>>>>
>>>> 'I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without costing
>>>> the
>>>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).'
>>>>
>>>> If someone does something bad, can't we just have everyone start
>>>> ignoring their fidelity bond? Forcing them to repay another bond under a
>>>> different identity?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 4:07 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have a way to ensure reputation is always kept with identity.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have a way to prevent reputation spam though without costing
>>>>> the
>>>>> person leaving reputation (not a good incentive structure).
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/20/2014 12:56 AM, Sidney Zhang wrote:
>>>>> > It means that it is extremely expensive to mine identity. So a better
>>>>> > reputation system can now be built as well.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Are there any good examples of implementations?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Liad Shababo <liad@???
>>>>> > <mailto:liad@shababo.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Doesn't make them trustworthy. It shows they value that identity
>>>>> and
>>>>> > would be hesitant to do anything to ruin it thereby rendering
>>>>> their
>>>>> > financial sacrifice meaningless
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 19 May 2014, at 20:19, "Anthony D'Onofrio" <
>>>>> iamtexture@???
>>>>> > <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> How does lighting money on fire make someone trustworthy?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Peter Todd <pete@???
>>>>> >> <mailto:pete@petertodd.org>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 19 May 2014 16:39:06 CEST, Robert Williamson
>>>>> > <bobalot@??? <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> >>Doesn't op return outputs need to have a value of 0?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > No, they can be any value.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>There's other concerns too. If we count someone as
>>>>> > trustworthy because
>>>>> >>they
>>>>> >>have sacrificed some amount of money to fees, its easy for
>>>>> > mining pools
>>>>> >>to
>>>>> >>start creating identities where a lot of fees are sacrificed to
>>>>> >>themselves.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > That's what I mean by fee sacrifices encouraging mining pool
>>>>> > centralisation. Right now I think that should rule out
>>>>> > sacrifice to fees completely.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>
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