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Autor: Julia Tourianski
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Para: System undo crew
Assunto: Re: [unSYSTEM] oh fuck it's really happening... bitcoin is under attack
your video made me very happy and hopeful. keeping all your notes in mind
for final revision, thank you Amir!


On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:

> wow, I'm continually impressed with your ability to express yourself as
> a not-completely native speaker of English. I read the text a few times,
> and it really deepens in its meaning.
>
> The way it guides you through going from how we the people are
> oppressed, to Bitcoin being swallowed in the machine, to the true nature
> behind Bitcoin, that it's a human system and finally that we are here to
> take back our freedom. goodbye.
> Love it very cool. You can even make it more pronounced. I only picked
> up some references on the 2nd reading (like the DNA thing) but maybe
> that's part of the charm of having a manifesto you discover more of each
> time making you think.
>
> Some minor points:
>
> > it; it’s under threat from those who do understand it, but fear it.
>
> *it's under threat from those who do understand it, but fear the
> consequences, those who take steps to preempt attacks by self-censoring,
> by moderating their actions.
>
> > falls on the same day that Roosevelt signed the 6102 executive order,
> which forbade the hoarding of gold.
>
> Have you seen this?
>
> https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Satoshi_Nakamoto#Motives
>
> Your text, I hope it becomes a video. I'd rather see this stuff on the
> top of the Bitcoin Reddit that shit like this:
>
>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/255asa/this_is_how_bitcoin_makes_an_impact/
>
> Really infuriates me. So this is the kind of world people want to
> promote? Girls who have nothing to offer except tits? Cmon so lame.
> We should be empowering cool girls who are doing stuff with Bitcoin.
> This is just a slap in the face to all those people like Elizabeth,
> Stephanie, .etc
>
> Well done on the writing, it cuts deep, and you have a good grasp on the
> issues. Where you write:
>
> > Bitcoin will give financial freedom back to the people.
>
> I think it can even go further with things like resource management,
> digital governance, decentralised law, and tools of trade / business. We
> support markets in all their forms (not just financial) and Bitcoin has
> big implications for markets and all these topics.
> Bitcoin is a tool which can enable new forms of association between
> humans to form, and enable new forms of business such as cooperative
> enterprise without bosses. It can empower self organised networks of
> people to work more efficiently and scale up. We've only touched the
> beginning of what's possible and there's far more to come.
> So freedom to transact is important, but just a first step in the
> possibilities of Bitcoin (which is much grander).
>
> my video:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX6NjkItne4
>
> On 09/05/14 20:04, Julia Tourianski wrote:
> > Much of this was inspired by the conversations that go on here. All
> > feedback welcome. Writing this for bitcoin magazine. Basically an
> > elaboration of my previous post:
> >
> >
> > The Declaration of Bitcoin’s Independence
> >
> > We have been brought to a point where it has become necessary to
> > dissolve the bond between currency and institution. We are not required
> > to declare the causes which impel us to push for the separation, but we
> > will oblige.
> >
> >
> > We hold these truths to be self-evident. We have been cyclically
> > betrayed, lied to, stolen from, extorted from, taxed, monopolized, spied
> > on, inspected, assessed, authorized, registered, deceived, and reformed.
> > We have been economically disarmed, disabled, held hostage,
> > impoverished, enervated, exhausted, and enslaved. And then there was
> > bitcoin.
> >
> >
> >
> > But we are in an age of appropriation, and nothing is immune. Today
> > bitcoin is not only volatile in its value, but in its very essence.
> > Bitcoin is in the crucial stages of development. Its code can evolve in
> > several directions. It’s under threat from those who don’t understand
> > it; it’s under threat from those who do understand it, but fear it.
> >
> >
> >
> > The crusade to absorb bitcoin into the seams of the State has begun.
> > There is a conscious effort to co-opt. The goal is to swallow bitcoin,
> > process it, intergrade it, devolve it, and keep it stagnant in the gears
> > of a failed operating system. Bitcoin’s potential is being hijacked.
> > They have their own idea of what they want bitcoin to be. They have
> > their own plan for its potential, and they have an investment in that
> > plan. But our consent is withdrawn and the power of our ideas is too
> strong.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do not underestimate DNA; nothing is born completely neutral. Follow the
> > protocol: it has anarchistic implications. Bitcoin is inherently
> > anti-establishment, anti-system, and anti-state. Bitcoin undermines
> > governments and disrupts institutions because bitcoin is fundamentally
> > humanitarian. There’s an elimination of 3^rd party intrusion. It’s
> > purely peer-to-peer. The blockchain is free speech. It’s decentralized,
> > voluntary, and non-aggressive. Bitcoin is not supposed to work within
> > our current mechanisms. Bitcoin needs not entities of authority to
> > acknowledge it, incorporate it, regulate it, and tax it. Bitcoin does
> > not ask permission.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bitcoin is an animal of anonymity. Bitcoin basks in shadow. Satoshi’s
> > facelessness is symbolic of this. Privacy is the point. Bitcoin is meant
> > to function outside of regulatory systems. It does not pander to power
> > structures, it undermines them. It is not a cog.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bitcoin means to channel economic power directly through the individual.
> > This is reflected by Satoshi’s symbolic birthday, which falls on the
> > same day that Roosevelt signed the 6102 executive order, which forbade
> > the hoarding of gold. We repeat. Bitcoin is not intended to be
> > integrated; it’s intended to be a ghost outside the machine.
> >
> >
> >
> > The voices of the people who are working to preserve the purity
> > bitcoin’s ethos are being drowned out. But actions speak louder than
> > words. Bitcoin is utility. The cypherpunks are building anonymous
> > systems. The crypto-anarchists are making institutions arbitrary. The
> > internet is anarchy. And cryptocurrencies are the printless fingers of
> > the internet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Bitcoin is not just a currency, a commodity, or a convenience. Just like
> > the printing press gave religion back to the people, just like the
> > internet gave information back to the people, Bitcoin will give
> > financial freedom back to the people. We declare bitcoin’s independence.
> > Bitcoin is sovereignty. Bitcoin is renaissance. Bitcoin is ours. Bitcoin
> > is.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Philip Glover <imphilipglover@???
> > <mailto:imphilipglover@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     I think cryptocurrencies offer us a language to express value
> >     through market action.

> >
> >     It's awesome.

> >
> >     On May 8, 2014 3:05 PM, "Michael Goldstein" <michael@???
> >     <mailto:michael@bitstein.org>> wrote:

> >
> >         "Technology embodies values. Satoshi had values."

> >
> >         I thought Peter Todd summarized it quite nicely during the radio
> >         discussion in Austin a couple weeks ago. Bitcoin as a technology
> >         does not have political values, but its qualities are such that
> >         to value Bitcoin to any degree (including not at all) is voicing
> >         a political opinion. If Satoshi valued anything but individual
> >         freedom of speech and association, he was really bad at voicing
> >         that by creating a protocol like Bitcoin.

> >
> >         I have argued here that as it stands, valuing Bitcoin is valuing
> >         anarchism, regardless of how you want to label or rationalize
> >         it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPY-5SR-jPQ

> >
> >
> >         On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
> >         <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:

> >
> >             Luke, I also respect your contributions and have advocated
> >             your work
> >             because I believe you come from the heart and your ideals.

> >
> >             Our ideals are not this political affiliation or that
> >             ideological dogma.
> >             Our ideals are a shared set of values around openness,
> fairness,
> >             empowerment of the common user and freedom of information.
> >             These values
> >             are the basis for the internet and why it's a success story.
> >             They are
> >             also the reasons why the printing press was able to reform
> >             Europe taking
> >             power away from corrupt catholic churches who had
> >             institutionalised
> >             their religion and turned it into a tool against actual
> >             followers of god
> >             who were being misled into following fake rules that were
> >             added in by men.

> >
> >             Today we now follow suited men who sell us false doctrine
> >             and have
> >             elevated themselves up as beyond mortal men with the mirage
> >             that they
> >             hold a secret knowledge or power that we as people don't
> >             possess. When
> >             Christ kicked the money changers from the temple and washed
> >             the feet of
> >             the poor, it was a statement about who we as people should
> >             stand with.
> >             They are thieving from us, the people, everyday and now
> >             Bitcoin as tool
> >             is going to bring back technology into our hands. And I'm
> >             glad for that.

> >
> >             So tell me, why should I embrace these white knights coming
> to
> >             legitimise Bitcoin with their surveillance and censorship
> >             palming it off
> >             with their gibberish newspeak. These people are real
> >             motherfuckers and
> >             what motivates them primarily is greed at your expense.

> >
> >             They don't see Bitcoin as empowerment. They see Bitcoin as
> >             convenience,
> >             and are willing to compromise the empowerment aspect for more
> >             convenience. Bitcoin will grow, but the question is in which
> >             direction.

> >
> >             I'm confident that Bitcoin will play an established and
> >             central role in
> >             our future financial infrastructure. My objective now is to
> >             maintain the
> >             integrity long enough for Bitcoin's empowerment aspect to
> >             play out, and
> >             grow it in the right directions that give us the power. Just
> >             like the
> >             struggles now to keep the internet uncensored and neutral,
> >             so too must
> >             we struggle to keep Bitcoin uncensored and neutral.

> >
> >             And it's funny because all this talk of Bitcoin as being
> >             politically-neutral is a way of downplaying the values I've
> >             been talking
> >             about above. You can never be politically neutral. That's a
> >             fantasy.
> >             Technology embodies values. Satoshi had values.

> >
> >             On 26/04/14 13:11, Luke-Jr wrote:
> >             > Amir, I think you contribute much to bitcoin, and I value
> >             that. But Bitcoin is
> >             > *not* libertarianism. Bitcoin is *not* anarchism. Bitcoin
> >             is *not*
> >             > "volunteerism". Bitcoin is *not* a movement for financial
> >             freedom - or any
> >             > political movement at all. Bitcoin is a technology, which
> >             can and should be
> >             > embraced by people of any political affiliation. Adoption
> >             by people with views
> >             > contrary to your own is not an attack on Bitcoin, it is
> >             growth.
> >             >
> >             > On Saturday, April 26, 2014 5:33:48 PM Amir Taaki wrote:
> >             >> I get what you're doing, but we both know that really
> >             isn't the case.
> >             >> Allaire speaks from his heart, and they hired Mike Hearn.
> >             >> I don't think we'll ever know the whole truth as that's
> >             not how these
> >             >> proprietary cultures work.
> >             >> Check this quote by him:

> >             >>
> >             >> "A lot of the safeguards that businesses and consumers
> >             take for granted
> >             >> in their everyday interactions and payments don’t exist
> >             in bitcoin [...]"

> >             >>
> >             >> or

> >             >>
> >             >> "if your goal is to ensure widespread adoption of
> >             bitcoin, there needs
> >             >> to be rules around its use, he says, arguing that it’s
> >             not good enough
> >             >> to imagine bitcoin can exist above society."

> >             >>
> >             >> This doesn't sound like descriptions of systems that
> >             empower users to
> >             >> self-regulate. This is the exact speech used behind many
> >             surveillance
> >             >> and censorship tools to push them on us. Things like
> >             "anti-fraud"
> >             >> blacklists or researching correlation techniques on
> >             consumer activity.

> >             >>
> >             >> If this tech is developed it will be deployed or pushed
> >             upon places like
> >             >> Coinbase. Coinbase is the only business (or US?) in the
> >             valley with a
> >             >> banking relationship which they have due to a special
> >             relationship with
> >             >> JP Morgan and one of their bankers on their board.
> >             >> And that's where these products that work against their
> >             users will come
> >             >> into play. Maybe the industry doesn't have enough balls,
> >             and big Bitcoin
> >             >> businesses with a large following (CoinBase, BitPay, ...
> >             whoever) start
> >             >> "self-regulating" by spying, tracking and censoring their
> >             users.

> >             >>
> >             >> On 26/04/14 06:31, Peter Todd wrote:
> >             >>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 10:37:11AM +0100, Amir Taaki
> wrote:
> >             >>>> reducing the risk is newspeak for censorship

> >             >>>>
> >             >>>> protection against fraud is codeword for surveillance.

> >             >>>
> >             >>> Maybe it is; maybe it isn't.

> >             >>>
> >             >>> I hope Circle is just implementing all the decentralized
> >             technologies
> >             >>> we've been talking about for ages that let people chose
> >             on their own
> >             >>> terms how to reduce the risks involved in their
> >             transactions; best case
> >             >>> is all this talk about moving Bitcoin away from its
> >             libertarian roots is
> >             >>> just PR material. After all, Dark Market is an example
> >             of that approach,
> >             >>> yet could also be marketted as "bringing Bitcoin into
> >             the mainstream
> >             >>> with anti-fraud, lower costs, greater privacy safeguard,
> >             and protection
> >             >>> against identity theft".

> >             >>>
> >             >>> I'm not very hopeful that's the case, but lets hold off
> >             on the torches
> >             >>> and tar until they publish hard details on what exactly
> >             they are doing.

> >             >>>

> >             >>>

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