I was under the impression there are too many of you for video chat but
here's the alternatives:

* HTML5 Video Chat:
For html5 audio/video chat all you need is the current version of
Firefox,chromium,or proprietary opera. forget bad apple and m$ they hate
format freedom and so there web browsers are useless.Personally I get
feed up of projects that say this and work towards <goal> but then are
bloody hypocrites and happy using something against what they stand for,
work towards,etc. It also means people you don't know or do know are
excluded and give up because the attitude they see or experience makes
it nightmare/impossible, depressing, unhopefull - a dead end. It's even
more tragic because often there is alternatives that do the job/get the
job done.

https://vmux.cc/
http://openvri.com/
https://jitsi.org/Projects/JitsiMeet (chromium or proprietary opera,
firefox support pending)

you can try them out with me if you'd like. pop me a email, I'm often
around and available, late hours included ie 2am


I get that your priority is convenience and having a chat by whatever
means but what about being hypocritical?

Personally I get feed up of projects that say this and work towards
<goal> but then are bloody hypocrites and happy using something against
what they stand for, work towards,etc. It also means people you don't
know or do know are excluded and give up because the attitude they see
or experience makes it nightmare/impossible, depressing, unhopefull - a
dead end. It's even more tragic because often there is alternatives that
do the job/get the job done.


I guess I could have written this differently but it will have to do for
now.