> I see, there are alt coins that can replace btc if it fails/being
> attecked/destroyed by gov or WS. p2p cryptos are here to stay
>
>
> On 27 April 2014 01:04, Thomas Hartman <thomas@???> wrote:
>>
>> No, I think it might fail but it has a good chance of succeeding.
>>
>> However, it will be attacked.
>>
>> And if it succeeds, it's unclear to me whether it can succeed without
>> something like coin validation/whitelist, and maybe automatic tax
>> collection, being grafted onto it, with anonymous bitcoin relegated to
>> an ever more squeezed corner of the ecosystem.
>>
>> This is going to an epic fight, and one of my primary tools for
>> understanding what is to come is picturing some soul less scriptkiddy
>> on DarkMarket (or maybe a PR flack for Circle) demanding a ransom for
>> that kitten in a blender.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Linards Berzins
>> <linardsberzins@???> wrote:
>> > well it kind of was, so you thinnk btc will eventually fail, as i
>> > understad?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 27 April 2014 00:48, Thomas Hartman <thomas@???>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Linards, I see that wasn't addressed to myself. Sorry about answering
>> >> as though it was.
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Linards Berzins
>> >> <linardsberzins@???> wrote:
>> >> > your joking right?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 25 April 2014 23:44, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So I realize I'm a little late to the party, but I just read through
>> >> >> this
>> >> >> feed. I feel compelled to say if you're going to start a
>> >> >> decentralized
>> >> >> P2P
>> >> >> black market selling drugs, guns, and things I probably can't even
>> >> >> imagine
>> >> >> rule number one should be: Thou shalt not capitulate.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Besides the inherent anarchist ideals it really doesn't matter what
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> name it. If you're selling drugs and guns there is no amount of
>> >> >> positive
>> >> >> spin or marketing trickery you can do to make it "acceptable" for
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> general public. The black market has existed long before the
>> >> >> internet
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> will always exist outside of mainstream society. I mean really,
>> >> >> what
>> >> >> are
>> >> >> you guys hoping for? Corporate sponsorship?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -Robert
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> well also there's this attitude that Bitcoin is a company like
>> >> >>> Twitter
>> >> >>> or Facebook, and it's a payments innovation for buying food or
>> >> >>> drink
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> place of credit cards.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Truth is that Bitcoin is a core technology akin to wheel or
>> >> >>> printing
>> >> >>> press, and cannot be stopped. The tech goes way beyond simple A->B
>> >> >>> payments, and instead reaches far deeper into how humans organise
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> assemble together by giving us a new wide-ranging toolkit that we
>> >> >>> can
>> >> >>> apply for creating new forms of trade and business online. I'm
>> >> >>> talking
>> >> >>> about the many crypto features inside and spurned by Bitcoin that
>> >> >>> haven't yet been exploited.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bitcoin does not need to win favour from anybody. But what is
>> >> >>> important
>> >> >>> is to protect the consensus inside Bitcoin which is responsible for
>> >> >>> maintaining it's integrity and principles as a technology. That
>> >> >>> consensus is responsible for how Bitcoin evolves. I believe Bitcoin
>> >> >>> will
>> >> >>> be dominant, and the lock-in so big that whatever Bitcoin becomes,
>> >> >>> we
>> >> >>> will be stuck with. Therefore it's vital that we maintain it as a
>> >> >>> free
>> >> >>> market technology open and equal for all.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> A Bitcoin surrounded by a proprietary ecosystem owned by industry
>> >> >>> who
>> >> >>> spends their resources to create software that imposes their limits
>> >> >>> on
>> >> >>> us, while allowing (or gaining) them participation in a "legit"
>> >> >>> market
>> >> >>> is not a free Bitcoin, and one which oppresses its users. There are
>> >> >>> many
>> >> >>> very subtle decisions that we take now that have long term effects
>> >> >>> on
>> >> >>> how Bitcoin evolves. And it's the sum of these 1000 small decisions
>> >> >>> that
>> >> >>> really determines the outcome of Bitcoin. There's no threat from
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> system. We are the system.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAYT2gaAqw
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 25/04/14 14:15, Robert Williamson wrote:
>> >> >>> > Most people can't code.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > I know that and I know it sounds elitist to say "just code your
>> >> >>> > own",
>> >> >>> > perhaps it's just my perception that people in the community are
>> >> >>> > less
>> >> >>> > willing to talk about the politics and technology and are only
>> >> >>> > concerned
>> >> >>> > about "making Bitcoin look good" so they can make a good return.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On 25 April 2014 19:05, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>> >> >>> > <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > Most people can't code. And in general have no idea how to
>> >> >>> > make
>> >> >>> > things happen. So they're just appealing to authority for
>> >> >>> > change,
>> >> >>> > because that's what they've been raised to do and they don't
>> >> >>> > know
>> >> >>> > any better.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > The barriers to freedom don't live in a gun, an army, or a
>> >> >>> > state.
>> >> >>> > No
>> >> >>> > piece of technology can unleash us. I've said it before -
>> >> >>> > there
>> >> >>> > is
>> >> >>> > only one freedom, freedom of the mind. Until that is taken as
>> >> >>> > gospel, people will keep building chains and prisons out of
>> >> >>> > the
>> >> >>> > tools provided for liberation.
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> > On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Robert Williamson
>> >> >>> > <bobalot@???
>> >> >>> > <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >
>> >> >>> >> It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes
>> >> >>> >> as
>> >> >>> >> it
>> >> >>> >> did.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> It shows the unfortunate state of the /r/bitcoin community
>> >> >>> >> though,
>> >> >>> >> it's the second most upvoted post this week about fear of a
>> >> >>> >> colour
>> >> >>> >> or name.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> No one has posted their own decentralised market showing
>> >> >>> >> where
>> >> >>> >> they've made improvements and called it whatever they want.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> What else are we going to call a product that can most
>> >> >>> >> likely
>> >> >>> >> be
>> >> >>> >> used for "illicit purposes"? "Silk Road" sounds like a nice
>> >> >>> >> name
>> >> >>> >> for a website pre-2011, reminding people of the cultural
>> >> >>> >> trade
>> >> >>> >> route.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Even if DarkMarket was called "Lovely Butterfly Road" it
>> >> >>> >> would
>> >> >>> >> probably eventually be tainted bad by the media.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On 25 April 2014 18:35, Adam B. Levine
>> >> >>> >> <adam@???
>> >> >>> >> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Your project, your call (until somebody forks it!) but
>> >> >>> >> words
>> >> >>> >> do matter.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes
>> >> >>> >> as
>> >> >>> >> it
>> >> >>> >> did.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Adam B. Levine
>> >> >>> >> Editor-in-Chief
>> >> >>> >> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Amir Taaki
>> >> >>> >> <genjix@???
>> >> >>> >> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> comments I wrote for the reddit crowd:
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> People need to stop being afraid and reclaim these
>> >> >>> >> words
>> >> >>> >> of power used
>> >> >>> >> to control us. The Dark name evokes great imagery
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> sounds cool. It's
>> >> >>> >> like when they used to call us pirates to shame us
>> >> >>> >> and
>> >> >>> >> the
>> >> >>> >> pirate party
>> >> >>> >> stood up and said "yeah! we are pirates!". There
>> >> >>> >> were
>> >> >>> >> many
>> >> >>> >> internet
>> >> >>> >> freedom parties before and they got nowhere. Our
>> >> >>> >> team
>> >> >>> >> is
>> >> >>> >> not here to fit
>> >> >>> >> in nicely with the status quo- we are here to
>> >> >>> >> challenge
>> >> >>> >> it.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> -------
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Anybody who disagrees with my outlook is free to
>> >> >>> >> pick
>> >> >>> >> up a
>> >> >>> >> compiler. If
>> >> >>> >> you're bothered enough then create the change you
>> >> >>> >> want
>> >> >>> >> to
>> >> >>> >> see. Don't try
>> >> >>> >> to make dictates to opensource coders through public
>> >> >>> >> peer
>> >> >>> >> pressure
>> >> >>> >> campaigns. This thread is lazy activism at its
>> >> >>> >> finest.
>> >> >>> >> It's hilarious
>> >> >>> >> that people give so much energy to this over the
>> >> >>> >> actual
>> >> >>> >> thread about the
>> >> >>> >> project itself.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> If you sit on your arse complaining about names on
>> >> >>> >> Reddit,
>> >> >>> >> then your
>> >> >>> >> insights are worthless. Get to work!
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> Stay true to yourself.
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> On 25/04/14 08:40, n wrote:
>> >> >>> >> > OMG this made my day ! Amir thank you, keep it up
>> >> >>> >> > On 4/25/2014 6:56 AM, Chris Pacia wrote:
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> We need to give Amir a lesson in firearm safety
>> >> >>> >> :p
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >> upvote this vid plz for visibility,
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >>
>> >> >>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/ch1e6qb
>> >> >>> >> >>
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