attecked/destroyed by gov or WS. p2p cryptos are here to stay
> No, I think it might fail but it has a good chance of succeeding.
>
> However, it will be attacked.
>
> And if it succeeds, it's unclear to me whether it can succeed without
> something like coin validation/whitelist, and maybe automatic tax
> collection, being grafted onto it, with anonymous bitcoin relegated to
> an ever more squeezed corner of the ecosystem.
>
> This is going to an epic fight, and one of my primary tools for
> understanding what is to come is picturing some soul less scriptkiddy
> on DarkMarket (or maybe a PR flack for Circle) demanding a ransom for
> that kitten in a blender.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Linards Berzins
> <linardsberzins@???> wrote:
> > well it kind of was, so you thinnk btc will eventually fail, as i
> understad?
> >
> >
> > On 27 April 2014 00:48, Thomas Hartman <thomas@???>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Linards, I see that wasn't addressed to myself. Sorry about answering
> >> as though it was.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Linards Berzins
> >> <linardsberzins@???> wrote:
> >> > your joking right?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 25 April 2014 23:44, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> So I realize I'm a little late to the party, but I just read through
> >> >> this
> >> >> feed. I feel compelled to say if you're going to start a
> decentralized
> >> >> P2P
> >> >> black market selling drugs, guns, and things I probably can't even
> >> >> imagine
> >> >> rule number one should be: Thou shalt not capitulate.
> >> >>
> >> >> Besides the inherent anarchist ideals it really doesn't matter what
> you
> >> >> name it. If you're selling drugs and guns there is no amount of
> >> >> positive
> >> >> spin or marketing trickery you can do to make it "acceptable" for the
> >> >> general public. The black market has existed long before the
> internet
> >> >> and
> >> >> will always exist outside of mainstream society. I mean really, what
> >> >> are
> >> >> you guys hoping for? Corporate sponsorship?
> >> >>
> >> >> -Robert
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???>
> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> well also there's this attitude that Bitcoin is a company like
> Twitter
> >> >>> or Facebook, and it's a payments innovation for buying food or drink
> >> >>> in
> >> >>> place of credit cards.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Truth is that Bitcoin is a core technology akin to wheel or printing
> >> >>> press, and cannot be stopped. The tech goes way beyond simple A->B
> >> >>> payments, and instead reaches far deeper into how humans organise
> and
> >> >>> assemble together by giving us a new wide-ranging toolkit that we
> can
> >> >>> apply for creating new forms of trade and business online. I'm
> talking
> >> >>> about the many crypto features inside and spurned by Bitcoin that
> >> >>> haven't yet been exploited.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Bitcoin does not need to win favour from anybody. But what is
> >> >>> important
> >> >>> is to protect the consensus inside Bitcoin which is responsible for
> >> >>> maintaining it's integrity and principles as a technology. That
> >> >>> consensus is responsible for how Bitcoin evolves. I believe Bitcoin
> >> >>> will
> >> >>> be dominant, and the lock-in so big that whatever Bitcoin becomes,
> we
> >> >>> will be stuck with. Therefore it's vital that we maintain it as a
> free
> >> >>> market technology open and equal for all.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> A Bitcoin surrounded by a proprietary ecosystem owned by industry
> who
> >> >>> spends their resources to create software that imposes their limits
> on
> >> >>> us, while allowing (or gaining) them participation in a "legit"
> market
> >> >>> is not a free Bitcoin, and one which oppresses its users. There are
> >> >>> many
> >> >>> very subtle decisions that we take now that have long term effects
> on
> >> >>> how Bitcoin evolves. And it's the sum of these 1000 small decisions
> >> >>> that
> >> >>> really determines the outcome of Bitcoin. There's no threat from the
> >> >>> system. We are the system.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAYT2gaAqw
> >> >>>
> >> >>> On 25/04/14 14:15, Robert Williamson wrote:
> >> >>> > Most people can't code.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > I know that and I know it sounds elitist to say "just code your
> >> >>> > own",
> >> >>> > perhaps it's just my perception that people in the community are
> >> >>> > less
> >> >>> > willing to talk about the politics and technology and are only
> >> >>> > concerned
> >> >>> > about "making Bitcoin look good" so they can make a good return.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On 25 April 2014 19:05, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
> >> >>> > <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > Most people can't code. And in general have no idea how to
> make
> >> >>> > things happen. So they're just appealing to authority for
> >> >>> > change,
> >> >>> > because that's what they've been raised to do and they don't
> >> >>> > know
> >> >>> > any better.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > The barriers to freedom don't live in a gun, an army, or a
> >> >>> > state.
> >> >>> > No
> >> >>> > piece of technology can unleash us. I've said it before -
> there
> >> >>> > is
> >> >>> > only one freedom, freedom of the mind. Until that is taken as
> >> >>> > gospel, people will keep building chains and prisons out of
> the
> >> >>> > tools provided for liberation.
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> > On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Robert Williamson
> >> >>> > <bobalot@???
> >> >>> > <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> >>> >
> >> >>> >> It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as
> >> >>> >> it
> >> >>> >> did.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> It shows the unfortunate state of the /r/bitcoin community
> >> >>> >> though,
> >> >>> >> it's the second most upvoted post this week about fear of a
> >> >>> >> colour
> >> >>> >> or name.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> No one has posted their own decentralised market showing
> where
> >> >>> >> they've made improvements and called it whatever they want.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> What else are we going to call a product that can most likely
> >> >>> >> be
> >> >>> >> used for "illicit purposes"? "Silk Road" sounds like a nice
> >> >>> >> name
> >> >>> >> for a website pre-2011, reminding people of the cultural
> trade
> >> >>> >> route.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Even if DarkMarket was called "Lovely Butterfly Road" it
> would
> >> >>> >> probably eventually be tainted bad by the media.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On 25 April 2014 18:35, Adam B. Levine
> >> >>> >> <adam@???
> >> >>> >> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Your project, your call (until somebody forks it!) but
> >> >>> >> words
> >> >>> >> do matter.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as
> >> >>> >> it
> >> >>> >> did.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Adam B. Levine
> >> >>> >> Editor-in-Chief
> >> >>> >> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Amir Taaki
> >> >>> >> <genjix@???
> >> >>> >> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> comments I wrote for the reddit crowd:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> People need to stop being afraid and reclaim these
> >> >>> >> words
> >> >>> >> of power used
> >> >>> >> to control us. The Dark name evokes great imagery and
> >> >>> >> sounds cool. It's
> >> >>> >> like when they used to call us pirates to shame us
> and
> >> >>> >> the
> >> >>> >> pirate party
> >> >>> >> stood up and said "yeah! we are pirates!". There were
> >> >>> >> many
> >> >>> >> internet
> >> >>> >> freedom parties before and they got nowhere. Our team
> >> >>> >> is
> >> >>> >> not here to fit
> >> >>> >> in nicely with the status quo- we are here to
> challenge
> >> >>> >> it.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> -------
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Anybody who disagrees with my outlook is free to pick
> >> >>> >> up a
> >> >>> >> compiler. If
> >> >>> >> you're bothered enough then create the change you
> want
> >> >>> >> to
> >> >>> >> see. Don't try
> >> >>> >> to make dictates to opensource coders through public
> >> >>> >> peer
> >> >>> >> pressure
> >> >>> >> campaigns. This thread is lazy activism at its
> finest.
> >> >>> >> It's hilarious
> >> >>> >> that people give so much energy to this over the
> actual
> >> >>> >> thread about the
> >> >>> >> project itself.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> If you sit on your arse complaining about names on
> >> >>> >> Reddit,
> >> >>> >> then your
> >> >>> >> insights are worthless. Get to work!
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> Stay true to yourself.
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On 25/04/14 08:40, n wrote:
> >> >>> >> > OMG this made my day ! Amir thank you, keep it up
> >> >>> >> > On 4/25/2014 6:56 AM, Chris Pacia wrote:
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> We need to give Amir a lesson in firearm safety :p
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >> upvote this vid plz for visibility,
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/ch1e6qb
> >> >>> >> >>
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