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Szerző: Thomas Hartman
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Tárgy: Re: [unSYSTEM] rename darkmarket... our response.
Linards, I see that wasn't addressed to myself. Sorry about answering
as though it was.

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Linards Berzins
<linardsberzins@???> wrote:
> your joking right?
>
>
> On 25 April 2014 23:44, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>>
>> So I realize I'm a little late to the party, but I just read through this
>> feed. I feel compelled to say if you're going to start a decentralized P2P
>> black market selling drugs, guns, and things I probably can't even imagine
>> rule number one should be: Thou shalt not capitulate.
>>
>> Besides the inherent anarchist ideals it really doesn't matter what you
>> name it. If you're selling drugs and guns there is no amount of positive
>> spin or marketing trickery you can do to make it "acceptable" for the
>> general public. The black market has existed long before the internet and
>> will always exist outside of mainstream society. I mean really, what are
>> you guys hoping for? Corporate sponsorship?
>>
>> -Robert
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> well also there's this attitude that Bitcoin is a company like Twitter
>>> or Facebook, and it's a payments innovation for buying food or drink in
>>> place of credit cards.
>>>
>>> Truth is that Bitcoin is a core technology akin to wheel or printing
>>> press, and cannot be stopped. The tech goes way beyond simple A->B
>>> payments, and instead reaches far deeper into how humans organise and
>>> assemble together by giving us a new wide-ranging toolkit that we can
>>> apply for creating new forms of trade and business online. I'm talking
>>> about the many crypto features inside and spurned by Bitcoin that
>>> haven't yet been exploited.
>>>
>>> Bitcoin does not need to win favour from anybody. But what is important
>>> is to protect the consensus inside Bitcoin which is responsible for
>>> maintaining it's integrity and principles as a technology. That
>>> consensus is responsible for how Bitcoin evolves. I believe Bitcoin will
>>> be dominant, and the lock-in so big that whatever Bitcoin becomes, we
>>> will be stuck with. Therefore it's vital that we maintain it as a free
>>> market technology open and equal for all.
>>>
>>> A Bitcoin surrounded by a proprietary ecosystem owned by industry who
>>> spends their resources to create software that imposes their limits on
>>> us, while allowing (or gaining) them participation in a "legit" market
>>> is not a free Bitcoin, and one which oppresses its users. There are many
>>> very subtle decisions that we take now that have long term effects on
>>> how Bitcoin evolves. And it's the sum of these 1000 small decisions that
>>> really determines the outcome of Bitcoin. There's no threat from the
>>> system. We are the system.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAYT2gaAqw
>>>
>>> On 25/04/14 14:15, Robert Williamson wrote:
>>> >     Most people can't code.

>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I know that and I know it sounds elitist to say "just code your own",
>>> > perhaps it's just my perception that people in the community are less
>>> > willing to talk about the politics and technology and are only
>>> > concerned
>>> > about "making Bitcoin look good" so they can make a good return.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 25 April 2014 19:05, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>>> > <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >     Most people can't code. And in general have no idea how to make
>>> >     things happen. So they're just appealing to authority for change,
>>> >     because that's what they've been raised to do and they don't know
>>> >     any better.

>>> >
>>> >     The barriers to freedom don't live in a gun, an army, or a state.
>>> > No
>>> >     piece of technology can unleash us. I've said it before - there is
>>> >     only one freedom, freedom of the mind. Until that is taken as
>>> >     gospel, people will keep building chains and prisons out of the
>>> >     tools provided for liberation.

>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >     On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Robert Williamson <bobalot@???
>>> >     <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>> >
>>> >>         It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as it
>>> >> did.

>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     It shows the unfortunate state of the /r/bitcoin community though,
>>> >>     it's the second most upvoted post this week about fear of a colour
>>> >>     or name.

>>> >>
>>> >>     No one has posted their own decentralised market showing where
>>> >>     they've made improvements and called it whatever they want.

>>> >>
>>> >>     What else are we going to call a product that can most likely be
>>> >>     used for "illicit purposes"? "Silk Road" sounds like a nice name
>>> >>     for a website pre-2011, reminding people of the cultural trade
>>> >> route.

>>> >>
>>> >>     Even if DarkMarket was called "Lovely Butterfly Road" it would
>>> >>     probably eventually be tainted bad by the media.

>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>     On 25 April 2014 18:35, Adam B. Levine <adam@???
>>> >>     <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:

>>> >>
>>> >>         Your project, your call (until somebody forks it!) but words
>>> >>         do matter.

>>> >>
>>> >>         It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as it
>>> >> did.

>>> >>
>>> >>         Adam B. Levine
>>> >>         Editor-in-Chief
>>> >>         Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>

>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>         On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>>> >>         <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:

>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/
>>> >>
>>> >>             comments I wrote for the reddit crowd:

>>> >>
>>> >>             People need to stop being afraid and reclaim these words
>>> >>             of power used
>>> >>             to control us. The Dark name evokes great imagery and
>>> >>             sounds cool. It's
>>> >>             like when they used to call us pirates to shame us and the
>>> >>             pirate party
>>> >>             stood up and said "yeah! we are pirates!". There were many
>>> >>             internet
>>> >>             freedom parties before and they got nowhere. Our team is
>>> >>             not here to fit
>>> >>             in nicely with the status quo- we are here to challenge
>>> >> it.

>>> >>
>>> >>             -------

>>> >>
>>> >>             Anybody who disagrees with my outlook is free to pick up a
>>> >>             compiler. If
>>> >>             you're bothered enough then create the change you want to
>>> >>             see. Don't try
>>> >>             to make dictates to opensource coders through public peer
>>> >>             pressure
>>> >>             campaigns. This thread is lazy activism at its finest.
>>> >>             It's hilarious
>>> >>             that people give so much energy to this over the actual
>>> >>             thread about the
>>> >>             project itself.

>>> >>
>>> >>             If you sit on your arse complaining about names on Reddit,
>>> >>             then your
>>> >>             insights are worthless. Get to work!

>>> >>
>>> >>             Stay true to yourself.

>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>             On 25/04/14 08:40, n wrote:
>>> >>             > OMG this made my day ! Amir thank you, keep it up
>>> >>             > On 4/25/2014 6:56 AM, Chris Pacia wrote:
>>> >>             >>
>>> >>             >> We need to give Amir a lesson in firearm safety :p

>>> >>             >>
>>> >>             >> upvote this vid plz for visibility,

>>> >>             >>

>>> >>             >>

>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/ch1e6qb
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