Ok, this might be controversial within our own community but I appeal that you hear the idea and not the person behind it.
Mike Hearn suggested that a system could be created called the 'TradeNet', which is a 24 hour bazaar for ALL goods and services, with api access for bots and DACs. Essentially think of it as part eBay, Craigslist, ELance... A nexus for users to purchase and sell contracts, and issue tenders for goods and services. Alice enters the TradeNet and wants to deliver a small package to Bob on the other side of town. She issues a tender with her requirements and is returned (in seconds) with a list of delivery services (car, bike, drone, raven) with price (in Bitcoin), time, issurance details etc. She selects the service of choice, signs the multisig transaction etc... done.
The api access for bots and DACs make the whole thing rather interesting in that allows for a DAC to purchase goods and services for their own profit seeking actions without the seller knowing whether they're dealing with a human or DAC.
So the vision of the TradeNet is to build the core infrastructure for scalable commerce outside of the regulatory system that nation states impose (creating a more efficient and I dare say fair system). Like BitTorrent, once ordinary people find it more accessible to purchase goods and services on the TradeNet, nation states will not be able to stop the ultimate goal of Bitcoin from manifesting: trustless, cryptographically secure, and censorship resistant commerce. As Tim May put it, 'permanently banning the state' from peaceful and voluntary interpersonal affairs and relationships.
Lastly, the TradeNet will be a fully outfitted free market, with minimal barriers of entry, that is not necessarily free from regulation, but rather regulated by cryptography and trustless 'can't be evil' systems.
This is why the interpretation of DarkMarket as merely a replacement for the SR is shortsighted in my view; it overlooks are a far more ambitious opportunity.
-- drwasho
On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Linards Berzins <linardsberzins@???> wrote:well it kind of was, so you thinnk btc will eventually fail, as i understad?On 27 April 2014 00:48, Thomas Hartman <thomas@???> wrote:
Linards, I see that wasn't addressed to myself. Sorry about answering
as though it was.

On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Linards Berzins
<linardsberzins@???> wrote:
> your joking right?
>
>
> On 25 April 2014 23:44, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
>>
>> So I realize I'm a little late to the party, but I just read through this
>> feed. I feel compelled to say if you're going to start a decentralized P2P
>> black market selling drugs, guns, and things I probably can't even imagine
>> rule number one should be: Thou shalt not capitulate.
>>
>> Besides the inherent anarchist ideals it really doesn't matter what you
>> name it. If you're selling drugs and guns there is no amount of positive
>> spin or marketing trickery you can do to make it "acceptable" for the
>> general public. The black market has existed long before the internet and
>> will always exist outside of mainstream society. I mean really, what are
>> you guys hoping for? Corporate sponsorship?
>>
>> -Robert
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>>>
>>> well also there's this attitude that Bitcoin is a company like Twitter
>>> or Facebook, and it's a payments innovation for buying food or drink in
>>> place of credit cards.
>>>
>>> Truth is that Bitcoin is a core technology akin to wheel or printing
>>> press, and cannot be stopped. The tech goes way beyond simple A->B
>>> payments, and instead reaches far deeper into how humans organise and
>>> assemble together by giving us a new wide-ranging toolkit that we can
>>> apply for creating new forms of trade and business online. I'm talking
>>> about the many crypto features inside and spurned by Bitcoin that
>>> haven't yet been exploited.
>>>
>>> Bitcoin does not need to win favour from anybody. But what is important
>>> is to protect the consensus inside Bitcoin which is responsible for
>>> maintaining it's integrity and principles as a technology. That
>>> consensus is responsible for how Bitcoin evolves. I believe Bitcoin will
>>> be dominant, and the lock-in so big that whatever Bitcoin becomes, we
>>> will be stuck with. Therefore it's vital that we maintain it as a free
>>> market technology open and equal for all.
>>>
>>> A Bitcoin surrounded by a proprietary ecosystem owned by industry who
>>> spends their resources to create software that imposes their limits on
>>> us, while allowing (or gaining) them participation in a "legit" market
>>> is not a free Bitcoin, and one which oppresses its users. There are many
>>> very subtle decisions that we take now that have long term effects on
>>> how Bitcoin evolves. And it's the sum of these 1000 small decisions that
>>> really determines the outcome of Bitcoin. There's no threat from the
>>> system. We are the system.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAYT2gaAqw
>>>
>>> On 25/04/14 14:15, Robert Williamson wrote:

>>> >     Most people can't code.

>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I know that and I know it sounds elitist to say "just code your own",
>>> > perhaps it's just my perception that people in the community are less
>>> > willing to talk about the politics and technology and are only
>>> > concerned
>>> > about "making Bitcoin look good" so they can make a good return.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 25 April 2014 19:05, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>>> > <mailto:iamtexture@???>> wrote:
>>> >

>>> >     Most people can't code. And in general have no idea how to make

>>> >     things happen. So they're just appealing to authority for change,

>>> >     because that's what they've been raised to do and they don't know

>>> >     any better.

>>> >

>>> >     The barriers to freedom don't live in a gun, an army, or a state.

>>> > No

>>> >     piece of technology can unleash us. I've said it before - there is

>>> >     only one freedom, freedom of the mind. Until that is taken as

>>> >     gospel, people will keep building chains and prisons out of the

>>> >     tools provided for liberation.

>>> >
>>> >
>>> >

>>> >     On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Robert Williamson <

bobalot@???

>>> >     <mailto:

bobalot@???>> wrote:
>>> >

>>> >>         It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as it

>>> >> did.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>

>>> >>     It shows the unfortunate state of the /r/bitcoin community though,

>>> >>     it's the second most upvoted post this week about fear of a colour

>>> >>     or name.

>>> >>

>>> >>     No one has posted their own decentralised market showing where

>>> >>     they've made improvements and called it whatever they want.

>>> >>

>>> >>     What else are we going to call a product that can most likely be

>>> >>     used for "illicit purposes"? "Silk Road" sounds like a nice name

>>> >>     for a website pre-2011, reminding people of the cultural trade

>>> >> route.
>>> >>

>>> >>     Even if DarkMarket was called "Lovely Butterfly Road" it would

>>> >>     probably eventually be tainted bad by the media.

>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>

>>> >>     On 25 April 2014 18:35, Adam B. Levine <

adam@???

>>> >>     <mailto:

adam@???>> wrote:
>>> >>

>>> >>         Your project, your call (until somebody forks it!) but words

>>> >>         do matter.

>>> >>

>>> >>         It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as it

>>> >> did.
>>> >>

>>> >>         Adam B. Levine

>>> >>         Editor-in-Chief

>>> >>         Let's Talk Bitcoin! <

http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>> >>
>>> >>

>>> >>         On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Amir Taaki <

genjix@???

>>> >>         <mailto:

genjix@???>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/

>>> >>

>>> >>             comments I wrote for the reddit crowd:

>>> >>

>>> >>             People need to stop being afraid and reclaim these words

>>> >>             of power used

>>> >>             to control us. The Dark name evokes great imagery and

>>> >>             sounds cool. It's

>>> >>             like when they used to call us pirates to shame us and the

>>> >>             pirate party

>>> >>             stood up and said "yeah! we are pirates!". There were many

>>> >>             internet

>>> >>             freedom parties before and they got nowhere. Our team is

>>> >>             not here to fit

>>> >>             in nicely with the status quo- we are here to challenge

>>> >> it.
>>> >>

>>> >>             -------

>>> >>

>>> >>             Anybody who disagrees with my outlook is free to pick up a

>>> >>             compiler. If

>>> >>             you're bothered enough then create the change you want to

>>> >>             see. Don't try

>>> >>             to make dictates to opensource coders through public peer

>>> >>             pressure

>>> >>             campaigns. This thread is lazy activism at its finest.

>>> >>             It's hilarious

>>> >>             that people give so much energy to this over the actual

>>> >>             thread about the

>>> >>             project itself.

>>> >>

>>> >>             If you sit on your arse complaining about names on Reddit,

>>> >>             then your

>>> >>             insights are worthless. Get to work!

>>> >>

>>> >>             Stay true to yourself.

>>> >>
>>> >>

>>> >>             On 25/04/14 08:40, n wrote:

>>> >>             > OMG this made my day ! Amir thank you, keep it up

>>> >>             > On 4/25/2014 6:56 AM, Chris Pacia wrote:

>>> >>             >>

>>> >>             >> We need to give Amir a lesson in firearm safety :p

>>> >>             >>

>>> >>             >> upvote this vid plz for visibility,

>>> >>             >>

>>> >>             >>

>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/ch1e6qb

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