Robert,
Just to clarify your email. When you say "you're selling drugs and
guns...", are you forgetting there is no "you're" in the Dark Market?
Dark Market is not being built specifically for selling drugs, guns, etc.
Amir was demonstrating that it could be used to do so and no one could stop
it from happening IF it is built correctly. This is similar to the point
Cody made by printing the Liberator and the AR-15 lower receiver.
Anarchy ("without rulers") means that people are free to govern themselves.
Imposing one's sense of morals on another by force is in itself immoral.
Therefore, statist governments are immoral. Anarchists, and libertarians,
do not seek acceptance from the general public. If one were to do so, then
one allows the masses to become another form of authority. The 20th century
has proven unequivocally the masses are grotesquely stupid and
self-destructive.
Should the Dark Market developers stop because some people might commit a
crime with it? Who defines the crime committed? Do I have to describe the
enormity of crimes against humanity being committed right now and
intentionally ignored by the "general public"?
Nothing changes unless someone takes a stand.
John
On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Robert Jakob <rsjakob@???> wrote:
> So I realize I'm a little late to the party, but I just read through this
> feed. I feel compelled to say if you're going to start a decentralized
> P2P black market selling drugs, guns, and things I probably can't even
> imagine rule number one should be: Thou shalt not capitulate.
>
> Besides the inherent anarchist ideals it really doesn't matter what you
> name it. If you're selling drugs and guns there is no amount of positive
> spin or marketing trickery you can do to make it "acceptable" for the
> general public. The black market has existed long before the internet and
> will always exist outside of mainstream society. I mean really, what are
> you guys hoping for? Corporate sponsorship?
>
> -Robert
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 1:28 PM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???> wrote:
>
>> well also there's this attitude that Bitcoin is a company like Twitter
>> or Facebook, and it's a payments innovation for buying food or drink in
>> place of credit cards.
>>
>> Truth is that Bitcoin is a core technology akin to wheel or printing
>> press, and cannot be stopped. The tech goes way beyond simple A->B
>> payments, and instead reaches far deeper into how humans organise and
>> assemble together by giving us a new wide-ranging toolkit that we can
>> apply for creating new forms of trade and business online. I'm talking
>> about the many crypto features inside and spurned by Bitcoin that
>> haven't yet been exploited.
>>
>> Bitcoin does not need to win favour from anybody. But what is important
>> is to protect the consensus inside Bitcoin which is responsible for
>> maintaining it's integrity and principles as a technology. That
>> consensus is responsible for how Bitcoin evolves. I believe Bitcoin will
>> be dominant, and the lock-in so big that whatever Bitcoin becomes, we
>> will be stuck with. Therefore it's vital that we maintain it as a free
>> market technology open and equal for all.
>>
>> A Bitcoin surrounded by a proprietary ecosystem owned by industry who
>> spends their resources to create software that imposes their limits on
>> us, while allowing (or gaining) them participation in a "legit" market
>> is not a free Bitcoin, and one which oppresses its users. There are many
>> very subtle decisions that we take now that have long term effects on
>> how Bitcoin evolves. And it's the sum of these 1000 small decisions that
>> really determines the outcome of Bitcoin. There's no threat from the
>> system. We are the system.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRAYT2gaAqw
>>
>> On 25/04/14 14:15, Robert Williamson wrote:
>> > Most people can't code.
>> >
>> >
>> > I know that and I know it sounds elitist to say "just code your own",
>> > perhaps it's just my perception that people in the community are less
>> > willing to talk about the politics and technology and are only concerned
>> > about "making Bitcoin look good" so they can make a good return.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 25 April 2014 19:05, Anthony D'Onofrio <iamtexture@???
>> > <mailto:iamtexture@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Most people can't code. And in general have no idea how to make
>> > things happen. So they're just appealing to authority for change,
>> > because that's what they've been raised to do and they don't know
>> > any better.
>> >
>> > The barriers to freedom don't live in a gun, an army, or a state. No
>> > piece of technology can unleash us. I've said it before - there is
>> > only one freedom, freedom of the mind. Until that is taken as
>> > gospel, people will keep building chains and prisons out of the
>> > tools provided for liberation.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Robert Williamson <bobalot@???
>> > <mailto:bobalot@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as it
>> did.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> It shows the unfortunate state of the /r/bitcoin community though,
>> >> it's the second most upvoted post this week about fear of a colour
>> >> or name.
>> >>
>> >> No one has posted their own decentralised market showing where
>> >> they've made improvements and called it whatever they want.
>> >>
>> >> What else are we going to call a product that can most likely be
>> >> used for "illicit purposes"? "Silk Road" sounds like a nice name
>> >> for a website pre-2011, reminding people of the cultural trade
>> route.
>> >>
>> >> Even if DarkMarket was called "Lovely Butterfly Road" it would
>> >> probably eventually be tainted bad by the media.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 25 April 2014 18:35, Adam B. Levine <adam@???
>> >> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Your project, your call (until somebody forks it!) but words
>> >> do matter.
>> >>
>> >> It's a little amusing it ended up with as many upvotes as it
>> did.
>> >>
>> >> Adam B. Levine
>> >> Editor-in-Chief
>> >> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Amir Taaki <genjix@???
>> >> <mailto:genjix@riseup.net>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/
>> >>
>> >> comments I wrote for the reddit crowd:
>> >>
>> >> People need to stop being afraid and reclaim these words
>> >> of power used
>> >> to control us. The Dark name evokes great imagery and
>> >> sounds cool. It's
>> >> like when they used to call us pirates to shame us and the
>> >> pirate party
>> >> stood up and said "yeah! we are pirates!". There were many
>> >> internet
>> >> freedom parties before and they got nowhere. Our team is
>> >> not here to fit
>> >> in nicely with the status quo- we are here to challenge it.
>> >>
>> >> -------
>> >>
>> >> Anybody who disagrees with my outlook is free to pick up a
>> >> compiler. If
>> >> you're bothered enough then create the change you want to
>> >> see. Don't try
>> >> to make dictates to opensource coders through public peer
>> >> pressure
>> >> campaigns. This thread is lazy activism at its finest.
>> >> It's hilarious
>> >> that people give so much energy to this over the actual
>> >> thread about the
>> >> project itself.
>> >>
>> >> If you sit on your arse complaining about names on Reddit,
>> >> then your
>> >> insights are worthless. Get to work!
>> >>
>> >> Stay true to yourself.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 25/04/14 08:40, n wrote:
>> >> > OMG this made my day ! Amir thank you, keep it up
>> >> > On 4/25/2014 6:56 AM, Chris Pacia wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> We need to give Amir a lesson in firearm safety :p
>> >> >>
>> >> >> upvote this vid plz for visibility,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/23vo5s/petition_to_change_the_name_of_dark_market_to/ch1e6qb
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