Bitcoin (and Catcoin), and pretty much any Satoshi-style proof-of-work
are consensus systems that depend on having widely distributed 'hash
rates' so that it is unlikley that any one entity can obtain more
than 51% of the hash rate, or at least that it is too expensive for
both rational and irrational attackers to continue a sustained attack.

It's still got quite a bit of a problem for democracy because it's
still sort of 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

There's still a heirarchy, as a developer I can release code that
freezes funds, or changes the money supply, or all other manner of
things that are coercive power when excercised by a single central
point of control.

But there has to be a consensus and healthy culture of the other
developers and then the community of miners and end-users that actually
run the code.

Bitcoin's culture is, well, quasi-religious about the total money
supply, (and as a priviledged white guy, I feel I can say this), is
mostly rich (or at least in the top 10%) white guys who develop software,
and waaaay too many of them seem to worship Ayn Rand and/or Austrian
economics. And there's an egotistical asshole problem, which is waaay
to easy for me to get sucked into and become the very thing that's
pissing me off.


What I like about Catcoin is it's pretty much mostly Bitcoin, but the
culture (so far) is of volunteer consensus of people who like Cats
more than they want to get rich, which I suppose is just a different
religion about what makes sound money.

Now.. for CryptoConsensus (or CryptoDemocracy) have a look at
http://heavycoin.github.io/voting.html which is damned quite fascinating,
and I need to figure out how to free myself from the demands of chasing
money to pay expenses so I can instead spend time embracing and extending
Heavycoin's voting into Codecoin.

Now what if every transaction (and maybe vote?) was geo-tagged.. could
we cryptographically validate this, and do something interesting?

There's also more things floating in my head like how to do what Datacoin
does to actually store the version control history for a cryptocoin IN the
cryptocoin's own blockchain, and then make it trivial for end-users to
voluntarily tip the developers who maintain the code.

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 04:06:08PM +0100, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:
> This Catcoin concept makes me smile, not sure how well it will work
> out but it sounds well intentioned.
>
> I thought of a word yesterday, it's like cryptocurrency but more
> all-encompassing. Unlike bitcoin the rules *could* be malleable if the
> users saw fit. The word is CryptoDemocracy and although I don't know
> what it is yet, I think I like it.
>
> Part 2 of thewebmustdie coming next week perhaps.
>
> Thanks,
> Caleb
>
> On 03/27/2014 06:16 PM, Troy Benjegerdes wrote:
> > GAH, the answer seems to be 'no', as it looks like it depends on
> > http://bitcoinjs.org/ which doesn't actually support mining, and
> > has all the makings for a wonderful client-server totalitarian state.
> >
> > So, I would like to contribute by launching CodeCoin-core, otherwise
> > known as the 'Catoshi' client, which is a fork of the full bitcoin-core
> > C++ code and primarily developed and tested on Catcoin, and any other
> > strange projects where I feel like hacking C++ code.
> >
> > Codecoin-core explicity supports and encourages copycatcoins, and I
> > would like to see every local physical community, as well virtual
> > communities, such as the ones that like to post animal pictures,
> > to create, monetize, and use their own currency.
> >
> > Codecoin core also has a fundamental religious difference from
> > bitcoin core. Since bitcoin is under an MIT license, and I can pretty
> > much do whatever I want, Codecoin-core is licensed under the AGPLv3,
> > to protect the freedom of it's users to BOTH make money (literally),
> > and freedom and encouragement to change the assumptions of how their
> > money supply is managed.
> >
> > Another important religious difference of Codecoin is that Transparency
> > and accountability are primary design goals, and anonymity is deprecated.
> > If you want to be anonymous, run an exchange and some high-frequency
> > trading bots on Bitcoin. The Gods of Codecoin are quick to anger with
> > requests for anonymity and privacy features best left to the Bitcoin
> > totalitarian client-server state, and may freeze your anonymous
> > transactions.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 09:38:40AM -0700, Thomas Hartman wrote:
> >> I'm a little fuzzy, but you might want to look at how omniwallet
> >> (mastercoin) uses sx / libbitcoin.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/mastercoin-MSC/omniwallet
> >>
> >> If all their blockchain interactions go through sx, maybe this is a
> >> pattern you can follow for a less complicated coin ;)
> >>
> >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Troy Benjegerdes <hozer@???> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 11:49:11AM -0500, John Hebert wrote:
> >>>> Here are a couple of links if you are looking for ways to contribute:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/Open_tasks
> >>>>
> >>>> https://wiki.unsystem.net/index.php/TODO
> >>>
> >>> Can I launch an altcoin (or make a Catcoin-compatible client) with
> >>> sx/obelisk/electrum/etc?
> >>>
> >>> Or does all this stuff still need the Satoshi *coind server somewhere?
> >>>

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> >>>

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> >>>          nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash

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      Never pick a fight with someone who buys ink by the barrel,
         nor try buy a hacker who makes money by the megahash