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Autor: Amir Taaki
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Assunto: Re: [unSYSTEM] Totalitarianism is simply the default state of the client/server model
I definitely think along these lines too. We're a bit slow on setting up
infrastructure, but give us time and the platforms will be there (promise).

On 25/03/14 15:46, John Hebert wrote:
> Jacob,
>
> This list is indirectly related to bitcoin and crypto stuff. Those are
> tools for implementing some of the goals of unSYSTEM. The description of
> the mailing list is "Revolutionaries on standby"
> (https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem). We
> are a community, first and foremost, committed to making changes with
> revolutionary impact.
>
> That being said, what this mailing list needs is more effort to organize
> and make things happen instead of fluff opinion posts. We need more
> doers instead of fluffers. We need more members to give their time,
> effort and support to the goals of unSYSTEM. I forget the open source
> developer who said "There is no substitute for source code.", but it is
> excellent advice and extends to documentation, logos, planning, etc.
>
> I say we _need_ more doers, but I also think we shouldn't restrict
> anyone from posting. It takes little effort to scan and delete a post
> from an Inbox. If someone is repeatedly annoying, filter them. If enough
> mailing list members create such filters, the poster will get the hint.
> Or, better yet, the poster will _become_ a doer. If the poster is a good
> writer and thinker, I recommend posting a blog link here with a short
> description. Everyone would benefit from that. The mailing list admin
> can resolve the worst cases of mailing list abuse, though I hope that
> won't be necessary.
>
> I'll hang out in irc.freenode.net:#darkwallet as huangpo99 and will also
> follow the projects in github to determine how I can best use my skills
> to contribute.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 9:03 AM, Jacob <jacobusbogers@???
> <mailto:jacobusbogers@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     teaching a man how to fish? wtf, even backward tribes in the amazon
>     and stonage man, know how to fish, please again this is about
>     bitcoin and crypto stuff, so can the mod just delete the post,
>     I was here to do tech stuff, not to listen to peace core rants.

>
>
>     On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:55 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <cjd@???
>     <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>> wrote:

>
>         I'm sorry if I've disturbed you. If this list is strictly about
>         technology
>         then it is probably not a place for me.
>         I have some additional thoughts in response to comments here and on
>         socialswarm-discuss which I wanted to share.

>
>         There is a parallel thread on
>         socialswarm-discussion@???
>         <mailto:socialswarm-discussion@ml.foebud.org> so if
>         this thread is offensive then we can move.

>
>         ----

>
>         A few thoughts:

>
>         I just threw 3 years of my life into cjdns and I'm now coming to the
>         conclusion that it's not solving the real problem. Forgive me,
>         I'm not in
>         my best form.

>
>         Wikipedia is proof that an alternative can not only exist but
>         can garner
>         the #1 space on every google search, all is not lost.

>
>         I value art, music, and literature and some will be far better
>         than I can
>         ever hope to be at all of these but long ago society decided
>         that nomatter
>         what a great musician or artist you may be, you will be
>         compelled to attend
>         school and learn to read because the threat to democracy of an
>         illiterate
>         populous was too grave to accept. In this world with a computer
>         on every
>         desk and in every pocket, everybody has an obligation to have a
>         certain
>         level of understanding of these things.

>
>         I must remember that as a child, I didn't want to learn how to
>         read either
>         and I distinctly recall telling my parents I would simply invent
>         a machine
>         to make people not need to know how to read. Forgiveness is
>         deserved.

>
>         All of the concentration on usability is, as we would say in the US,
>         barking up the wrong tree. We will never be able to make open source
>         projects more "usable" than facebook and their army of designers, we
>         can only hope to flatten the field with eduction.

>
>         The 19th and 20th century compulsory education model will never
>         succeed
>         here, every university CS class I've attended was teaching 5-10
>         year old
>         CS *history*.

>
>
>         tl;dr give a man a fish, feed him for a day, teach him how to
>         fish and
>         he'll be fed for a lifetime, or maybe he'll just sit in a boat
>         and drink
>         beer :)

>
>
>         On 03/24/2014 02:23 PM, Jacob wrote:
>         > I seriously dont know what this ranting f this has to do with
>         bitcoin...
>         >

>         >
>         > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Manfred Karrer <mk@???
>         <mailto:mk@nucleo.io>> wrote:

>         >
>         >> "Today our world runs on silicon and bits, the written
>         language of the day
>         >> is code and in this sea of information, anyone who remains
>         illiterate does
>         >> so by choice. "

>         >>
>         >> Remembers me on Vilém Flussers Medienkultur, one of the
>         philosophical
>         >> grandfathers of the internet.

>         >>

>         >>
>         >> Am 24.03.2014 um 11:04 schrieb Caleb James DeLisle
>         <cjd@??? <mailto:cjd@cjdns.fr>>:

>         >>
>         >>> I felt that I had to express something so I wrote it and
>         gave it a
>         >> domain.
>         >>> http://thewebmustdie.com/

>         >>>
>         >>> tl;dr cjd is being a princess again, it happens.

>         >>>
>         >>> Caleb
>         >>> _______________________________________________
>         >>> unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net
>         >>> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem

>         >>

>         >>
>         >> _______________________________________________
>         >> unSYSTEM mailing list: http://unsystem.net
>         >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/unsystem

>         >>

>         >>

>         >

>         >

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